No Attack in the US Since 9-11?

what groups?? the homeless kids that couldn't buy their own shoes??
I know the kids chatng in irc about how they would love to down NY by blowing up a tunnel.. problem is they dotn undertsand basic phyics llike looking at the flood lines. and guy that wanted to bombt he fuel tanks and depsite sayign they lead to the most populopus areas..all experts say it wouldn't have done much besides explode.. highly unlike to hurt anyone.. but hey.. we needed convictions and we needed people scared.

oh I know how about those people arrested in buffalo for saying "he is going to a weeddding and they will have a big meal" ooo that is as sacry as those kids with the tourist video of disney land that was too toruristy to be a tourist video.

and there was about 7 years inbetween tha last two al quada attacks.

and lets look at the attacks not stopped..t he antrax attacks.. oh wait that was on us soil AFTER 9-11.. HMM ok maybe yous guys keep forgettign that or maybe sayign no atatcks since 02 doenst have that ring..
OH wait their was also the sniper attacks.. those were on us soil.. and at the end opf 2002.. OK I know.. no terrorist atatcks on us soil since end of 2002.. crap that really doesn't have the same ring.. doenst brign up 9-11.. no wonder the right feels it needs to lie about it.

this article is a bunch of trumped up crap about some minor terrorist and terrorist acts and alledged terorist that doid not much more than go to jesus muhhammod camp... I suggest you look up these stories your self and you wills ee the spint hat was spun here.

It's amazing the gyrations people will go through to avoid crediting the people they hate (with a truly irrational and borderline scary zeal) with anything positive...

You really can't blame anyone in our government for small attacks by loonies. Our country is too large and free to be protected.............period. If our elected officials were honest, they'd admit this. Terror attacks are only successful if the target is scared, duh.

The worst thing we can do is continually talk about these minor incidents and give legitimacy to the nutjobs that perform them.

Of course we condemn them, but the neverending yack yack about 9/11, etc, and "controlling our borders", and sending a couple hundred thousand guys after 5 or 6 is better than Bin Laden could have hoped for in terms of terrorizing us.

Sorry, I fell into the pit by comparing individuals by saying they were in groups. I stand corrected.
I don't agree with most of the changes that the US and Bush have imposed. The was a quote, I don't remember if it was in a book or story I read, or on a newscast that stated something along the lines of "A terrorist wins if the government he fights against restricts freedoms" It ain't an exact quote, but now it's gotten me wondering what the exact quote was and where it came from. I'll concentrate on it tonight.

Pearl Harbor was an attack by another nation. The World Trade Center attack was by a small band of criminals. By then declaring a "War on Terror" and overreacting, we elevated them to a status they don't deserve.

If we truly believe, as I do, that the Constution is the most profound document preserving individual rights then we should apply it's standards to all people. In my opinion, we should have chased the few extremists responsible for that attack with covert law enforcement, given them a fair trial, and killed their asses. That would be a reasoned response within the rule of law. If we offer a positive example to the world, in the long run I believe we will win out over extremism and hatred.

By then declaring a "War on Terror" and overreacting, we elevated them to a status they don't deserve.

To me they are criminals; maybe insane, maybe not. Declaring a 'War on Terror gave them more status and maybe a belief they are more then what they are. England set a good example during their Irish Troubles, but that was for people born in Ireland on both sides. What do we do with people who were born in other countries who are captured. No matter how they are tried, people will disagree with it. And do you really want them in US jails spreading their message and possible experience to others? I really don't see a good answer to the question.

Kill the people responsible for 911? But-- they were already dead! (There's the catch-22 about punishing suicide attackers..very difficult indeed! :)

But the people who planned, recruited for, and financed the attack are still free (mostly.) In the US, conspiracy is still a crime. And even if your finger didn't pull the trigger during that crime, your still accountable for it.

The American military action still does not guarantee peace and security from the terrorist. We need fight them with better intelligence

And an example of better behavior..

We need fight them with better intelligence

With all they spying and wire tapping the government is doing right now that is being complained about, their trying to get more and better intelligence. But are we willing to pay the price for it? The reason why most of the hate groups in the US are exposed and shut down (most of them, not all) is because they had been infiltrated, wire tapped, and fully investigated. And some innocent groups were infiltrated until the investigators were satisfied that the group had a dissenting viewpoint, but were non-violent. The fact that an investigation was conducted on the innocent groups causes an uproar when it is revealed. And the same questions come out? What is the line between security for people and the freedoms to congregate and of free speech? It's a question that needs to be answered. Are we willing to draw a line on our freedoms for security, or do we want our freedoms at any cost?

My own opinion is that my rights end when they intrude on the rights of others. I don't smoke in a room where there's non-smokers unless they tell me it's alright to light up. If I'm having a party, I make sure that the neighbors aren't unconvinced by the noise. If someone voices their opinion, I don't jump down their throat (it's kinda hard sometimes, but I'm only human.) I either agree, disagree, or tell them I don't have an opinion on it. If the government taps my phone thinking that I am a terrorist, then go ahead... I think the only thing they'll find out bad about me is the fact that I go to all-night poker games. every so often ;)

The American military action still does not guarantee peace and security from the terrorist

I agree, terrorism is a crime and should be treated as such.

Your points well taken and I think warrant less wiretaps are debatable. What's not debatable is a right to a fair trial. I don't think the government should be able arrest a person, label them a terrorist and imprisoned them without a fair trial.

What's not debatable is a right to a fair trial. I don't think the government should be able arrest a person, label them a terrorist and imprisoned them without a fair trial.

I'd agree with that 100%. When we allow other people's rights to be trampled, what happens when they decide we're terrorists?

What's not debatable is a right to a fair trial. I don't think the government should be able arrest a person, label them a terrorist and imprisoned them without a fair trial

And they shouldn't, but what do we do when we capture them? We can't put them on trial and they turn it into a circus. They don't recognize our rights, but they know how to exploit them. Our judicial system is a mockery to them.

We can't put them on trial? We sure can. And it doesn't matter much if they turn the trial into a circus if they're convicted and sentenced.

The American military action still does not guarantee peace and security from the terrorist. We need fight them with better intelligence

There are no guarantees, my friend. We have better intelligence. We have to have had it, or else a dirty bomb would've gone off in Chicago or an explosion would have gone off in LA by now. (of course attracting so many crazy bastards to Iraq to face our warriors probably helped, too)
Every single one of the measures we've put in place to try and keep us as safe as is reasonably possible have been fought by outfits such as the ACLU. Every. Single. One.
But I still feel just as free as before 9/11. Somewhat inconvenienced at times but every bit as free.
I think that's pretty remarkable, all things considered.

But I still feel just as free as before 9/11. Somewhat inconvenienced at times but every bit as free. I think that's pretty remarkable, all things considered.

I also feel as free as before 9/11. I just think it's because I don't do anything stupid enough to have to be placed under surveilence. I thing the people who complain the most just do it because they just have to complain about something or doing something wrong. The only time I've ever felt inconvienced is when I tried to take some items on an airplane that were banned (The policy changed, but I didn't know.) The TSA were nice enough to let me give the stuff to the people I stayed with so they could ship them to me.

I've spent time living in Germany and South Korea. I've vacationed in Japan, Thailand, Taiwan, Philippines, Mexico, Canada, Europe, and Brazil. The Philippines, Thailand, Mexico, and Brazil are places you definitely don't want to be on the wrong side of the law. Freedoms we take for granted n the US don't apply there. And there are other countries that are much worse then those mentioned above. I haven't visited many places compared some others on newsvine, but I've visited and lived outside my home countries borders enough to appreciate the freedoms I have. And I get amused when someone here screams and moans about their freedoms being trampled. Maybe I'm different, I view that my rights and freedoms have to stop somewhere. but that line always moves back and forth between what I need, the people around me needs, and what the government needs to keep us safe. It isn't a set line, as long as it doesn't interfere with my basic freedoms, then I don't worry about a minor inconvenience

I would tend to agree. A lot of people have been complaining about how th eU.S. is as bad (or worse) than Nazi Germany

When we get as bad as Nazi Germany, then those people won't have the right to complain. Heck, we aren't even as bad as what the US was in WW2. And that was much less Nazi Germany in WW2, the Soviet Union and the Eastern Block during the cold war, and other countries nowadays that when they have a small suspicion then all your rights are completely gone (If you had the rights to begin with). Right now, even with the new powers the goverment has taken here, we still have the right to criticize without going to jail, peacefully protest, freely gather, etc.... And we still have the major right to vote if we think the goverment has gone to far.