
""U.S. military helicopters attacked territory inside Syria close to its border with Iraq Sunday, killing eight people in a strike the Syrian government condemned as "serious aggression."
A U.S. military official said the raid by special forces targeted the foreign fighter network that travels through Syria into Iraq in an area where the Americans have been unable to shut it down because it was out of the military's reach.""
(For some other Iraq-related stories, many of which have not received significant media coverage, click here: http://tinyurl.com/29ms5b)
"The U.S. military official said that while American forces have had considerable success, with Iraqi help, in shutting down the "rat lines" in Iraq, and with foreign government help in North Africa, the Syrian node has been out of reach.
"The one piece of the puzzle we have not been showing success on is the nexus in Syria," the official said.
The flow of foreign fighters into Iraq has been cut to an estimated 20 a month, a senior U.S. military intelligence official told the Associated Press in July. That's a 50 percent decline from six months ago, and just a fifth of the estimated 100 foreign fighters who were infiltrating Iraq a year ago,
Ninety percent of the foreign fighters enter through Syria, according to U.S. intelligence. Foreigners are some of the most deadly fighters in Iraq, trained in bomb-making and with small-arms expertise and more likely to be willing suicide bombers than Iraqis.
Foreign fighters toting cash have been al-Qaida in Iraq's chief source of income. They contributed more than 70 percent of operating budgets in one sector in Iraq, according to documents captured in September 2007 on the Syrian border. Most of the fighters were conveyed through professional smuggling networks, according to the report.
Why we haven't taken effective action in the past is beyond me. It is a disservice to our brave servicemen and servicewomen. Perhaps we tried negotiations to no avail and finally caught on. The US needs to teach Syria a hard lesson as that is all they seem to understand.
Why are we doing this as we are coming up to an election? Also, how come we did not at least consult Syria about this type of military action? While I do not support Syria's militaristic dictatorial regime, we ought to think how the Middle Eat region will be affected when we engage in sovereign territory.
"we ought to think how the Middle Eat region will be affected when we engage in sovereign territory."
O.K. I'll bite. Just how will it be affected?
kirshna, you don't seem to care about the after-effects...think it through....I would have thought that you'd already done that one....
atm1963
We have consulted Syria for a long, long,time. Diplomacy did not work. Syria is a terrorist supporting state and openly allows their territory to be used to launch attacks against US forces in Iraq and Iraqi civilians.
So what do you think we should have done?
artie, it's still considered an act of war...innocents die....think it through...if you're on top of these guys, like, supposedly we were, why not just catch tham at the border? You know where they're coming in, you have night @!$%#ing vision, for cryin' out loud....catch 'em red-handed, without the women and children gitting into the mix....think it through... you got a problem with that???? it's ignorant...can't convince me otherwise...
Exactly love trust. We can catch them after the borders are crossed.
We are only going to piss them off more as we expand into more soveign territory, which will be the cause of more l terror attacks. Iraq never had a suicide bombing until US troops marched in.
The whole reason 9-11 happened was because of our messed up foreign policies included the CIA support to install the Shaw of Iran, backing up Bin Laden to defeat the Russians, and allying with Sadam Hussein to go after Iran to name a few.
If we followed the wisdom of George Washington with him saying not to get entangled in foreign alliances, we would not have been caught up in this mess.
Syria is a sovereign nation. Syria is allowing (and supporting) the establishment of transit facilities near its border for the purpose of enabling combatants to enter Iraq and perform acts of war.
You need to understand that this is an act of war by Syria against Iraq (primary) and the US (Secondary). The US is totally within it rights to destroy these facilities with or without the permission of Syria.
The fact that there may have been innocent civilians in an active military target puts them in harms way. It is a fact of war.
Regarding which tactics to use (hit the target in Syria or at the border) it is obvious based on logistics, manpower, terrain, etc. etc. which way to go. Perhaps a course or two at the war college would convince you otherwise.
No, I do not need any courses in war college.
I believe if the US was not so much in the war mode with their empire building, we would not need a bailout and inflate out economy with Federal Reserve. As a result, we would have a much more sound defense taking care of our own on the home front.
Anyway, congressman Ron Paul got more donars from military people than any other presidential candidate and he is anti-interventionist, but pro-defense.
"kirshna, you don't seem to care about the after-effects...think it through....I would have thought that you'd already done that one.."
I have. Bottom line-- there are a lot of people in the area who hate the U.S.
They've hated the U.S. before that airstrike--- they will undoubtedly continue to hate the U.S. afterwards.
(Perhaps the only people who may have a shift of opinion are some Iraqis who will feel safer going to market knowing that there's a much smaller likelihood of being blown to bits from some foreign "insurgents" who would have otherwise infiltrated from across the Syrian border.)
krishna, in your comment;
They've hated the U.S. before that airstrike--- they will undoubtedly continue to hate the U.S. afterwards.
I think you're more comfortable, making and keeping enemies...keeps it simple for you, doesn't it??? Ever wonder....oh...sorry... don't want to tempt you into thinking....
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krishna, in your comment;
They've hated the U.S. before that airstrike--- they will undoubtedly continue to hate the U.S. afterwards.
I think you're more comfortable, making and keeping enemies...keeps it simple for you, doesn't it??? Ever wonder....oh...sorry... don't want to tempt you into thinking....
Why all the hostility?
...think about it....
"...think about it...."
Well-- you made some accusations about me...(quite inaccurate)..so I've thought. And-- I don't pretend to kniow what's goping on in your mind. My guess would be that you get very, bery upset when someone has a different opinionthan you do-- but thta's just a guess.
....provocateurs of war...the news of another attack into a soverign nation is becoming a habit....I'll not be a willful enabler, in any way to such strategies...
Kirshna, you seem to find this news as good, without any repurcussions...I find it to be just another act of aggression, in which innocent civilians are killed as well, and they're given no value in your formula for fighting the war on terror. It is a strategic mistake. Let's not diminish into oblivion our hopes of making allies, where there are an estimated million or so disenfranchised Iraqis....Syria isn't the enemy of these disenfranchised Iraqis...Your dismissal of the idea that Syria has the potential to be an ally really dooms them to no other course but to resist...to defend itself. Making enemies, some people do it all the time...some countries do it all the time....fear rules their judgments...I say quit with the 'cornering' of people....it makes for the greater enumeration of mortal enemies....
".Syria isn't the enemy of these disenfranchised Iraqis"
But they are clearly giving assistance to the enemies of the Iraqis. i FIND YOUR lack of compassion for the suffering of the Iraqi people to be rather shocking:
"A newborn baby was one of at least 14 children and adults killed when a suicide bomber detonated a lorry laden with explosives close to a primary school in the northern Iraqi city of Kirkuk yesterday." LINK
1.5 million Iraqis escaped the mismanaged 'war on terror'....are they not victims of Paul Bremmer's debathification policy???? ....and, then, disbanding the Iraqi military...those were all just great moves, that caused no collateral damage, I suppose...
.... everything is just so very screwed up, and our so-called leaders continue on with their 'more of the same' reactive policies, that started the whole mess to begin with.....We need conciliation...we don't need tens of thousands of Syrians protesting our ignorant aggressions into soverign soil....hearts and minds, my ass.....
krishna, in your comment;
"A newborn baby was one of at least 14 children and adults killed when a suicide bomber detonated a lorry laden with explosives close to a primary school in the northern Iraqi city of Kirkuk yesterday."
....That really sucks....war kills more innocents...terror is, and was, alive and well in the region...that really sucks....two wrongs don't make a right....I can only hope somebody comes along with the dialogue of peace, and forgiveness, for, surely these people are tired of living within this terrible predicament..
..We are but armchair warriors for our causes, never subject to actually being drawn into the real ignorance that war imposes. It all depends upon where you are when all hell breaks out, and mortal danger imposes itself upon your psyche.....forgiveness must be reborn at every battlefield, and forgiveness must prevail....so many of the afflicted are finding themselves unwilling to revisit that option...I can see that from where I sit..
"..two wrongs don't make a right."
Exactly. But even if there's major shift in government and our policies change-- I fear the jihadis will not change their evil ways.
"surely these people are tired of living within this terrible predicament.."
I believe many are-- but some are not. And-- it only takes a small minority of extremists to wreak havoc.
I believemany in the west don't fully comprehend the jihadi mindset. Its not about peace and reconciliation-- rather, its about the glory that comes from conquering for Allah. This sort of fanatic does not "grow tired" of war and killing.
(it'shard for us to understand-- we tend to project out values on others. But they really believe this. Human life is less improtant to many of them than their pride.
See, for example this video-- "A Mother's Love"
But even if there's major shift in government and our policies change-- I fear the jihadis will not change their evil ways.
(it'shard for us to understand-- we tend to project out values on others. But they really believe this. Human life is less improtant to many of them than their pride.
Their loss of family...friends is cause for mortal enemies...you'll be my enemy for life, should your interests bulldoze down my family.... I will be looking for you, to step into another conflict that is none of your buisness. I can't help but see that element, following a natural progression, where made enemies is a likely outcome of poor strategies, that do not take into account how enemies are made in the first place...
It's not a matter of pride...I suggest it as a matter of innocence lost in the fog of war's brutal consequences....seems you have to stop the bad guys source of anger...let them be...to live out their lives in peace....it's all anybody sees as a goal in all this blood and wrent flesh, often fresh in their minds....the haunted minds of the helpless weigh in my thinking....
"....provocateurs of war...the news of another attack into a soverign nation is becoming a habit."
...you're counting on the confusion.....it makes any form of retaliation dismissable as the 'cause' for so-and-so being pointed to as the 'enemy'...I'm so very sick of those arms dealers inventing excuses for the sake of sales....get my drift...???
Update: US strike in Syria "decapitated" al Qaeda's facilitation network" . . . apprently it was a bigger sucess (in terms of militsry objectives) than initially reported.
And:
"The Syrian government has protested the attack, describing it as an act of "criminal and terrorist aggression" carried out by the US. The Syrian government claimed eight civilians, including women and children, were killed in the strike. But a journalist from The Associated Press who attended the funeral said that only the bodies of seven men were displayed.
krichna, your link; only the bodies of seven men were displayed......??? Nothing said there about this.....
krishna, fix your link or remove the presumption.....
link??? kirshna??? I heard the Syrian ambassador yesterday, and he mentioned all of those who were killed...he didn't mention any children....but he held firm in his persistence that it was an act of aggression.....your link says nothing of the 'seven bodies....' just trying to keep it factual....
"link??? kirshna??? I heard the Syrian ambassador yesterday, and he mentioned all of those who were killed...he didn't mention any children....but he held firm in his persistence that it was an act of aggression.....your link says nothing of the 'seven bodies....' just trying to keep it factual...."
I was sure I copied it correctly, but I looked and its not there. I believe the source that cited it made a mistake (which is very unusual--but not impossible).
I remembered seeing it for sure-- so I googled. There were quite a few sources-- all newspapers or news sites--and they all got it from AP.
Anyway, I went to the AP site and (finally!) found it:
<i>"An Associated Press journalist at the funerals in the village's cemetery saw the bodies of seven men — none of them minors. The discrepancy could not immediately be explained." </i> LINK
Notice how AP is trying to be "even-handed"-- i.s. "which could not be explained".LOL. Anyone familiar with the current Syrian regime can explain it quite easily...(But if AP did...they might find their reporters no longer aboe to report from Syria)
This is a powerful statement to Syria, this attack against Al qaeda in Syria. In light of Israel's strike against Syria's North-Korean-aided-nuclear facility over a year ago, and Syria's interest in further enforcing its wishes in Lebanon, how likely is it that Syria will somehow miscalculate the seriousness with which its situation in the region is, especially given that Russia recently made a deal with Syria to allow the use of some port facilities for Russian ships? I imagine soon we may hear of "terrorist" attacks in Syria, much like what is now going on in Pakistan- they might end up reaping whjat they sow in Damascus.
"North-Korean-aided-nuclear facility"
I don't know if it was widely reported, but there were reports that that raid killed some North Korean workers at the nuke plant. (Also, some analysts pointed out that North Korea doesn't usually comment much on Israel-Arab matters-- they are more occupied with other thinngs. However, they were one of the first-- if not the first-- country to publicly criticize the attack-- very, very unusual).
"I imagine soon we may hear of "terrorist" attacks in Syria, much like what is now going on in Pakistan- they might end up reaping whjat they sow in Damascus." I think there were some alread (two I believe?). One was spun by the Syrian media who pretended it was something else, but it was pretty obvious what happened (the only unknown was who was really behind it-- a lot of groups have reason to be angry: several Lebanese factions-- the Israelis-- the U.S.-- native Syrian dissidents , Syrian human rights advocates, etc, etc).
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