
"Imams preach jihad and extremism in 10 percent of the 2,000 mosques in the United States, the FBI estimates.
That sums up the problem facing us as we ponder the meaning of Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan’s slayings of 13 people at Fort Hood, Texas. Given his association with a pro-al-Qaida imam in northern Virginia and his preoccupation with radical Islamic Web sites, it’s clear that the radical element of Islam influenced Hasan.
On the other hand, those who condemn Muslims in general because of the actions of Hasan and others like him are engaging in prejudice that has no place in America. Indeed, such stereotyping sets back the war on terror, because we need moderate Muslims on our side.
And-- from another article: His association with al-Qaeda is becoming clear:
"As officials advance the investigation into the Army Major who allegedly perpetrated last week's massacre at Fort Hood , attention is turning to Anwar al Awlaki, a top al Qaeda recruiter who was in contact with Major Nidal Malik Hasan before last week's shootings.
The Telegraph of London reported that Awlaki had made contact with two of the 9/11 hijackers when he was in San Diego.
Before moving to Yemen, Awlaki was the imam of a Falls Church, Virginia mosque that was attended by Hasan and two of the 9/11 hijackers.
Awlaki, a charismatic American Muslim imam, now operates a jihadist web site out of Yemen that calls on all Muslims to wage war against the U.S. Officials say Hasan had between 10 and 20 contacts with Awlaki beginning late last year.
This is noteworthy: Hasan had between 10 and 20 contacts with Awlaki beginning late last year.
You bet Hasan was influenced by radical islam beliefs.
There are people that want you and I to believe that he just snapped over being taunted.
Not so from what I've seen and heard.They claim he had mental issues,I'm sure he did considering what he did.But the mental battle he was having was, listen to my hate mongering Imam or do my duty as a soldier and follow orders from my command.
As we all know he chose the path of murder in the name of Allah and afterward his buddys cheered him on.His actions are clearly defined as radical islam at it's worst.
Happy Veterans Day to all of my fellow vets!!!
You bet Hasan was influenced by radical islam beliefs. There are people that want you and I to believe that he just snapped over being taunted. Not so from what I've seen and heard.They claim he had mental issues,I'm sure he did considering what he did.But the mental battle he was having was, listen to my hate mongering Imam or do my duty as a soldier and follow orders from my command. As we all know he chose the path of murder in the name of Allah and afterward his buddys cheered him on.His actions are clearly defined as radical islam at it's worst. Happy Veterans Day to all of my fellow vets!!!
There is evidence that, among other things, he was in touch with an al-Qaeda recruiter!
Al Qaeda Recruiter New Focus in Fort Hood Killings Investigation
Army Major Nidal Hasan Was In Contact With Imam Anwar Awlaki, Officials Say
the open lie being pushed by the media is that most muslims oppose the terrorists. While most might oppose the terrorists' tactics, many (probably most) DO share the terrorists' goals of destroying israel and spreading islam and sharia law to europe and america.
many (probably most) DO share the terrorists' goals
Well-- I don't know if its a majority, or a minority, or a plurality..or a quorum. But obviously some do. My guess is that, in fact, its only a small percentage who feel that way. However, even thought they may be a minority-- they do pose a significant threat-- in this case several people were murdered in cold blood-- but the evil deed was done by only a single person...(even 911-- only 19 people out of 1.5 billion Muslims worldwide committed the act-- certainly a small number in percentage terms-- but 3000 died...and the first attack on the WTC was committed by even fewer of these nutcases).
Close them down. Then next eliminate the take the tax exemptions from the other religions.
Close them down
Close who down?
Then next eliminate the take the tax exemptions from the other religions.
Not sure what that "other religions" has to do with violent jihad? And in any event-- even without tax deductions-- many mosques receive tons of mioney from the Saudis....
I wish the three major religions could be outlawed. They are nothing but troublemakers and haters.
Close who down?
We should just ban all religions. I know, I'm dreaming.
Thomas Jefferson once said that religion will cease to exist in about 50 years.
I wish the three major religions could be outlawed. They are nothing but troublemakers and haters.
Generalize much?
So what's good about them?
They con the poor and middle class into donating so they can buy expensive artifacts (Catholic Church), finance lavish lifestyles for the principals (Evangelical preachers and mega churches), claim ridiculous birthrights (Jews and their land claims), make ridiculous and harmful rules with no redeeming basis (all and especially Muslims), escape their financial obligations as part of humanity (tax free status), tyrannize outsiders (all of them) and the list goes on.
And of course they claim these are God's rules but one can but they can't all be right and NONE can PROVE anything beyond a blind faith. I guess that's why they call it faith.
So tell me again what good do they do?
They con the poor and middle class into donating so they can buy expensive artifacts (Catholic Church), finance lavish lifestyles for the principals (Evangelical preachers and mega churches), claim ridiculous birthrights (Jews and their land claims), make ridiculous and harmful rules with no redeeming basis (all and especially Muslims), escape their financial obligations as part of humanity (tax free status), tyrannize outsiders (all of them) and the list goes on.
Have not observed this in any Christian church I have ever been a part of and I wouldn't even consider doing so. Go to a small community church where in the past year we have gave and raised money to : feed poor people, help alcoholics and drug addicts, raised money for the local mission, raised money for breast cancer research, and built a skate park for the kids in town over at the park. Just a few examples of the good stuff you are missing out on seeing; perhaps consider setting aside your presumptions about entire groups of people for just a moment and seizing the opportunity to expand your karma with some reality. Not everyone is conned into belief; as we mature our belief systems evolve and hopefully encompass a compassionate and intellectually considered view.
I guess that's why they call it faith.
This is correct-what do you have faith in puppy?
This is correct-what do you have faith in puppy?
I have faith in science and reason.
I have financially done quite well in hi-tech. I am a big supporter of science and medical research. In fact, like Warren Buffett, almost my entire estate will go to these philanthropies rather than my errors. My errors would just get corrupted by it.
None will go to any organized or disorganized religion or mythical gods.
I have faith in science and reason.
As you so aptly observed above, faith is belief in something without reconcilable evidence to support it. Your "god" is science and reason; yet, there are realities of existence that go beyond the ability of our intellect to explain-we are made up of more than just pure reason enfolded in flesh. There are aspects of our universe that science, religion, philosophy, and art fail to adequately express or explain; yet, together they all contribute to the collective experience we call life.
almost my entire estate will go to these philanthropies rather than my errors. My errors would just get corrupted by it.
This statement about yourself reveals that all your money and faith in reason have not led you to a connection with the most important humans in your life that the rest of us work a lifetime at knowing, caring for and loving. It has also led you to the false assumption that religion leads people away from reason and science; try connecting with life on something other than a monetary or scientific basis and experience the beauty of life on an emotive level and join the reality that we call life.
This may also lead you to understand why religion, like science or reason, can be a wonderful or terrible thing and why so many around the world are either encouraged or in slaved by it.
There are aspects of our universe that science, religion, philosophy, and art fail to adequately express or explain
There is nothing in the universe that can't be explained...in time.
There is nothing in the universe that can't be explained...in time. Remember when the Church thought the earth was the center of the universe and people were imprisoned and killed for objecting to this nonsense?
We all know that Christopher Columbus encountered stiff resistance when he aired his idea of sailing off West across the Atlantic Ocean to try and reach the East Indies. Many of us have laboured under the impression that people were concerned that he would sail off the edge of the Earth which was widely believed to be flat. History, we thought, vindicated Columbus against those, filled with the Christian superstitions of a flat Earth, who held on to old-fashioned beliefs. A minority of people are even under the impression that Galileo's trial centred on the subject rather than whether the Earth orbited the sun.
It comes as some surprise, therefore, to find that Columbus was wrong and his critics were right. Those who opposed his voyage never claimed the world was flat, merely that is was much bigger than Columbus thought it was. The idea that the uncouth people of the Middle Ages thought the Earth was flat is a myth that has been propagating since the nineteenth century, intended to give us a quite unfair view of this vibrant and exciting period.
The mosques preach hate, it's true. Not all, but some. The question is, what can we really do?
We can't monitor the imams, we can't demand they leave...or can we?
Can we stop the Saudi funding of Wahabbism?
This is really troublesome, and a serious threat to Western society.
Prison converts to Jihad, political correctness gone wild, and now infiltration of the military. Where is this going to lead? Will Obama's administration do anything?
The mosques preach hate, it's true. Not all, but some. The question is, what can we really do?
We can't monitor the imams, we can't demand they leave...or can we?
Can we stop the Saudi funding of Wahabbism?
This is really troublesome, and a serious threat to Western society.
Prison converts to Jihad, political correctness gone wild, and now infiltration of the military. Where is this going to lead? Will Obama's administration do anything?
I agree. The threat is real. And my guess is that unless something's done-- its going to get worse.
And we have had warnings-- this wasn't the first time:
An article from way back in 2003-- but with great relevance to the situation today:
'The fragging at Camp Pennsylvania ... on March 23, Sgt. Asan Akbar rolled a grenade into each of three tents of sleeping officers and senior NCOs ...then he allegedly shot the soldiers with an automatic weapon as they fled from their tents. Two of them, a major and a captain, died, and 14 others were injured.
The episode is unsettling for a number of reasons, most of all because it exposes a fact about our military that commanders have tried their best to ignore: the presence of radical, anti-American Muslims in the ranks.
But-- I am wondering-- what, exactly, can we do?
B-b-b-but jihad only means "struggle"! Clearly, it has absolutely no special connotation in the religion.
B-b-b-but jihad only means "struggle"! Clearly, it has absolutely no special connotation in the religion.
Yeah-- "peaceful inner struggle"....
/sarcasm
Fortunately, some journalists are on the side of justice:
Journalists raise funds for troubled Fort Hood shooter
"We in the free press naturally see Hasan's actions as a First Amendment issue," the source said. "As a disadvantaged Muslim American, and captive of the U.S. military, Hasan's options for speaking truth to power were quite limited. He did what he could within his means, and now he's being punished for this expression of free speech."
(yes-- its satire :)
Wonder if there's a study on how many Christian churches preach hate and intolerance? Sure everyone knows about the crazy's like Fred Phelps, but what about the so-called "normal' churches, you know those that preach that women don't have a right to control their bodies and that two adults loving each other is wrong if they happen to be the same sex.
Your quick retaliation to show how evil Christianity is shows your bias. I am no Christian, and their history is no where near clean.....but this is not about Christianity. It is about a religion which has been hijacked by extremists and a religion where its loudest voices scream victim and discrimination and justifiable homicide. Time to open those eyeballs before you end up in a bhurka getting the SH$# kicked out of you by a man who truly believes he owns you.
I'm showing no bias here. I'm showing objectivity. And yes it is about religion. The abuse of religion. My religion, Christainity, has been hijacked by extremist terrorists, who would have no problem with shoving women in a bhurka. Well they call it bare foot, pregnant, and the kitchen, but the bottom line concept is the same. They preach hate and intolerance. They preach that women are owned by men... well they call it submit. I know this is what they preach. I grew up on a steady diet of this garbage. When it comes to extremist, rather christian or muslim, the goal is the same.
i think the percentage of 10% is rather low considering. CAIR and the other pro groups will say anything to divert attention away from the real agenda....sharia law throughout the world.
I believe you are correct marty...
According to Sufi leader Sheikh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani's testimony before a State Department Open Forum on January 7, 1999, extremists have taken over "more than 80 percent of the mosques in the United States ... This means that the ideology of extremism has been spread to 80 percent of the Muslim population, mostly the youth and the new generation." Kabbani based his statement on his personal investigation of 114 American mosques. "Ninety of them," he said, "were mostly exposed, and I say exposed, to extreme or radical ideology, based on their speeches, books and board members." This is largely due to the efforts of ISNA. ARTICLE
Did you notice-1999!
It's a worrisome situation and one chapter in a centuries-old struggle made worse by the Islamist fundamentalist education system in which "our friends" the Saudis fund wahabbi mosques, support intolerant preachers, and justify, along with Iranian clerics, acts of terrorism against the infidels. Waiting for moderate Muslims, of which there are many, to prevail doesn't seem like a winning strategy.
Waiting for moderate Muslims, of which there are many, to prevail doesn't seem like a winning strategy.
It seems that the vast majority of the world's Muslims are quite moderate indeed-- probably not much different than the majority in any other religion. However, there is a growing number of radicals...mosques are receiving money from Saudi extremists who are trying to radicalizwe what had been moderate mosques...
And, of ocurse, vast amounts of Saudi oil money is finding its way into other American institutions...epsecially universities, non-profits (even, ironically, human rights organizations)>..and to instituions such as the Carter Library (which explains a lot :-(
In the UK-- lots of money has been spent to radicalize mosques.
UK Channel 4 snuck hidden camers into several mosques-- what they discovered is frightening! If anyone hasn't seen it yet-- please watch this video (or at least the first 3 or 4 minutes): Undercover Mosque
Maybe today's seizure of some Iranian-related assets is the start of a trend:
Does b. Hussein know? The action against the Shiite Muslim mosques is sure to inflame relations between the U.S. government and American Muslims ....
Breaking news: Feds move to seize N.Y. skyscraper, 4 mosques
Prosecutors say building owners helping to illegally funnel money to Iran MSNBC hat tip pon
NEW YORK - Federal prosecutors Thursday took steps to seize four U.S. mosques and a Fifth Avenue skyscraper owned by a nonprofit Muslim organization long suspected of being secretly controlled by the Iranian government.
In what could prove to be one of the biggest counterterrorism seizures in U.S. history, prosecutors filed a civil complaint in federal court seeking the forfeiture of more than $500 million in assets of the Alavi Foundation and an alleged front company.
The assets include Islamic centers in New York City, Maryland, California and Houston, more than 100 acres in Virginia, and a 36-story office tower in New York.
Seizing the properties would be a sharp blow against Iran, which has been accused by the U.S. government of bankrolling terrorism and seeking a nuclear bomb.
A telephone call and e-mail to Iran's U.N. mission seeking comment were not immediately answered.
Religious backlash possible
It is extremely rare for U.S. law enforcement authorities to seize a house of worship, a step fraught with questions about the First Amendment right to freedom of religion.
The action against the Shiite Muslim mosques is sure to inflame relations between the U.S. government and American Muslims, many of whom are fearful of a backlash after last week's Fort Hood shooting rampage, blamed on a Muslim American soldier.
The mosques and the office tower will remain open while the forfeiture case works its way through court in what could be a long process. What will happen to them if the government ultimately prevails is unclear. But the government typically sells properties it has seized through forfeiture, and the proceeds are sometimes distributed to crime victims.
There were no raids Thursday as part of the forfeiture action. The government is simply required to post notices of the civil complaint on the property.
Prosecutors said the Alavi Foundation, through a front company known as Assa Corp., illegally funneled millions in rental income back to Iran's state-owned Bank Melli. Bank Melli has been accused by a U.S. Treasury official of providing support for Iran's nuclear program, and it is illegal in the United States to do business with the bank.
Breaking news: Feds move to seize N.Y. skyscraper, 4 mosques
Wow-- that's quite a story!
"Zakat"-- big time!
If they are actively preaching jihad--which means war against all non-Muslims---why in the hell is the DHS for? Shouldn't these people be arrested?
The problem we face is that while many Islam Fundamentalist preach hate toward non muslims they are convieniently covered by free speech.
This free speech clause in our constitution permits treason while protecting the guilty party.
Laws must be enacted that clearly spell out that anyone who incites violence against any American for any reason shall be guilty of treason and sentenced to lengthy prison terms.
Hell when an Imam calls for the destruction of jews,christians,catholics and all other non-muslim while enjoying the freedoms offered under our constitution it is out right treason against the country.
We can declare the use of a word (N) as being against the law. We can't arrest these people for preaching hatred toward all non-Muslims? The DHS should be disbanded.....or............made to do their jobs. I'm sure if the FBI investigated this to the maximum, they would find where these Imans are being funded to encourage Muslims to participate in the overthrow of the US gov't. That would be proof enough.
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