SNL Parody of Obama & Jintao Press Conference in Beijing

It isn't satire unless there is a semblence to the truth, which it is not. They had the "parody" of Obama say he had created "0" jobs, when in truth, he has created approximately 650,000 jobs, by all estimates. They realize that there are a few typo's in the webpage concerning what districts got the money/jobs, but they also realize that a lot of districts did not add in the number of jobs saved, only adding in those created.

Besides, one quick look at this job loss graph proves that we were in a free fall until Obama and the stimulus package arrived. We were losing more and more jobs each month during Bush, then the job losses started to immediately get smaller by the month.

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=CES0000000001&output_view=net_1mth

The moment they had the actor cite the number "0", the skit lost all humor to me. It no longer was satire, having entered the realm of misinformation and GOP propaganda.

It no longer was satire, having entered the realm of misinformation and GOP propaganda.

I never thought I'd see the day when someone referred to SNL as a GOP propaganda machine.

Pat, the koolaid drinkers do not appreciate mocking of their messiah....

They had the "parody" of Obama say he had created "0" jobs, when in truth, he has created approximately 650,000 jobs, by all estimates.

This number is so bloated that it's not even funny! A single $1000 lawnmower purchase supposedly creaded 500 jobs in Arkansas. Half of the 650,000 jobs are education based and many school districts state that they might not have actually laid off teachers without the stimulus money.

So, now that YOU think SNL is a right-wing propoganda machine, what makes it ok that they were, up until now, a left-wing propoganda machine?

Did you bother to watch the rest of the show, or did you feel so dirty watching Barry get it where the sun don't shine that you turned off the TV in disgust? Because if you had continued to watch, they also a couple of skits right afterward about Sarah Palin, and one more (can't remember)...

You libs are like little children. You are all fat and happy when things are going your way, but you get a little tit for tat and y'all run crying to your mommies.

If only they knew who they were...

That's the problem. They are so egocentric (like children). Because they believe their opinions matter the most, they are unwilling and/or unable to acknowledge those of others. My teenager is just coming out of this phase.

That's the problem. They are so egocentric (like children). Because they believe their opinions matter the most,

Excellent description of our "tolerant" leftists!

posts that contain statements such as "you libs....blah, blah, blah" or "all of you libs..." are patently false. it is impossible to tell the mind of every single member of a particular group. many liberals watch snl and found this sketch to be freaking hilarious. i am often categorized as a liberal here and i was laughing out loud, and i am in no way offended. wholesale bashing of a group or philosophy should stop because the statements rarely can be seen as the truth.

800 lb. gorilla

wholesale bashing of a group or philosophy should stop because the statements rarely can be seen as the truth.

Do you lecture left-wingers who do that to right-wingers as well? My ignore list teems with left-wing bigots who do exactly what you're criticizing in #2.9. Surely there are numerous opportunities for you to set them straight as well.

Hop to it!

rick

indeed, you could insert the word conservatives or righties and the statements would be patently false. that is correct. i do not criticize left posters as much as right posters due to the fact that i tend to stick with certain topics as my own biases allow. however, i do blast posters from both sides of the fence from time to time. the arguments, that one makes when making wholesale accustions of a group (whether it be political party, race, color, or creed), are doomed.

in truth, he has created approximately 650,000 jobs,

Tell that myth to the 500,000+ people who sign up for new unemployment benefits each month.

Liberal friend: Why the hell should I care if they mock Obama?

Nutty friend: HAHA, they mocked your messiah, bet you never expected that!

Liberal friend: What about my first sentence did you not understand.

Conservative friend: Don't we have something IMPORTANT to discuss, instead? A pox on both your houses.

So, now that YOU think SNL is a right-wing propoganda machine, what makes it ok that they were, up until now, a left-wing propoganda machine?

Obviously, you know nothing of the definition of propaganda. ANY propaganda is bad, but satire is good. But if it has to have a semblance of truth. Right wing or left wing, if it is based on truth, it's funny. If it is based on a lie, then it is a desperate attempt at making something funny that isn't. Plus... I never said SNL was a right-wing propaganda machine, now did I, Einstein? Merely that the SKIT left all satire behind with misinformation making it, the SKIT (Einstein) was right-wing propaganda at best.

Did you bother to watch the rest of the show, or did you feel so dirty watching Barry get it where the sun don't shine that you turned off the TV in disgust? Because if you had continued to watch, they also a couple of skits right afterward about Sarah Palin, and one more (can't remember)...

Yes, I did watch the rest of the show, enjoying much of the rest. Being that the rest was based on some semblance of truth, it wasn't that bad. Satisfied?

You libs are like little children. You are all fat and happy when things are going your way, but you get a little tit for tat and y'all run crying to your mommies.

Tit for tat? Like I said, it isn't "tit for tat" when the right-wing just makes things up to complain about or satirize, and the left-wing uses actual parrallels in real life.

and as far as this:

Tell that myth to the 500,000+ people who sign up for new unemployment benefits each month.

refer to:

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=CES0000000001&output_view=net_1mth

and see how even a simpleton can watch and see the plummetting employment numbers reverse to less and less jobs lost. Truth hurts?

But the funniest response is this, because I guarantee he can find NO evidence to back this craziness up.

This number is so bloated that it's not even funny! A single $1000 lawnmower purchase supposedly creaded 500 jobs in Arkansas. Half of the 650,000 jobs are education based and many school districts state that they might not have actually laid off teachers without the stimulus money.

Please... lay it on us... what school district said that they would have kept teachers IF NOT for the stimulus. Even common sense proves you wrong, but go ahead....

jim,

I think you better look at that chart again. Evidently you don't understand what it is showing.

Panhandle Mike... in case you didn't look at the chart, you'll notice that the unemployment numbers were freefalling under the Bush administration.... then in January-February, at the time of the Bail-out and Stimulus, the numbers of job losses decreased month after month... what is there to understand?

I suggest you take another look at it, Einstein.

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=CES0000000001&output_view=net_1mth

It's people like you that make sensible legislation difficult because you're either too lazy or too stupid to understand a graph. Don't forget the table also includes the month-to-month job losses to back me up.

Go back to school, Einstein.

But the funniest response is this, because I guarantee he can find NO evidence to back this craziness up.

I don't have to find evidence to back this up. It was printed in the NY Times...and all of you liberals know that if the NY Times reports something, it has to be true! In addition to what I stated in #2.4, the article also claims that the Head Start program simply used the stimulus money for raises and their claim of 8000 jobs is under review.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/us/05stimulus.html">

Hey, JR Einstein? I can read a graph, and a chart, too. Did you notice that the numbers really start tanking when people realized he had a chance for the nomination against Hillary? That's when business owners like me saw all this coming and started battoning down the hatches. When he clinched in the summer, the numbers start their BIG nose-dive, and they continued to do so, despite Omnibus, Stimulus, Cash for Clunkers, Making Homes Affordable, Moratorium on Foreclosures and Tarp.

Do you have any actual insight into the numbers, or do you just want to put something out there and blame Bush? lol... you guys are really making fools of yourself with all of this.

Sounds like you and Obama both have trouble owning your shortcomings. Not exactly the kind of character flaw we're looking for in a leader.

anita

did you notice that the numbers really start tanking when people realized he had a chance for the nomination against Hillary? That's when business owners like me saw all this coming and started battoning down the hatches. When he clinched in the summer, the numbers start their BIG nose-dive

so you are blaming obama for tanking the economy before he was president? did you notice that after obama was, actually, president for a few months that the job losses really started to slow down?

No.... I'm telling you how conservative businesses owners reacted as the writing became clear on the wall. I am part of that world, and in my community, that is what people who plan for the future do. We knew, because Obama told us, that he was going to make us pay, so we started getting rid of the dead weight in anticipation of another downturn and in an attempt try to get in front of it. Some people know this practice as "running a business for a profit." The numbers clearly reflect it.

I noticed that the "slow down" is nominal, and that no jobs are being created. You mean that kind of slow down? Or the kind of slow-down in the chart that is actually in offered in Preliminary numbers for the last two months?

Sgt USMC ... You are kidding right?

One well known example. Ap sicked fact checkers to Plalin's book, AP assigned no one to fact check Obama's dream of my fathers. Even we serious questions were raised about the true author of the book.

CBS Dan Rather runs with completely bogus story on Bush. Gets caught not by his peers or AP fact checking but bloggers, squealed like a stuck pig. Never did own up to it, and even tried to sue CBS of the deal.

That is just off the top of head.

anita

may was down to 303,000 jobs lost. june was worse with 463,000, but july and august were better again (303,000 and 154,000 jobs lost respectively). these are not preliminary figures and show that for six months the job losses have been slowed down. do more jobs need to be created? yes, but the fact remains that the job losses have slowed down considerably.

also, your comment definitely does imply that the economy tanked when obama was nominated and therefore, you indirectly blame someone who was not even the president yet. it is fine if you wish to do so, but it does not make it a fact.

jim,

I and others believe that you are too stupid to understand the graph YOU posted. In other words, you shxit and fell back in it. Sucks to be you.

Again.... As a BUSINESS OWNER, I knew that once Obama became the nominee, there would be a good chance he would win and that I should PREPARE FOR THE FUTURE. Do you get it? There are lots of people JUST LIKE ME who DID THE SAME THING. Can you hear me now?

I would love to know how much debt you have... or if you've ever owned a company.

As for your cherry pick of the 303,000 and 154,000, I was hoping you would go there. Any numbers after 154,000 is attributed mainly to seasonal SUMMER JOBS. Numbers for ALL THE FOLLOWING MONTHS are preliminary and marked so on the chart. In other words, THEY ARE NOT REAL.

cherry pick? how is listing every month except for the first two that you mentioned, cherry picking? cherry picking would be selecting a few. i gave every single month. do you know what cherry picking is? also, the preliminary numbers should not be off by several hundred thousand, so they will also be lower. today, they also came out with the new claims for unemployment and they were lower than expected after being adjusted for seasonal work. how do you explain that? it seems to me that you are the one doing the cherry picking. i merely said that it could be possible that things are improving, and i will stand by that because, hey, things could be improving. they may not be, but that would not make me wrong.

Sad but all too true, darlin'.

Darlin'?........[going to put a little lip gloss on and fluff my hair.......just in case.]

dkaz, best have a care. Ya might get me all worked up and I'll hafta steal ya away from Magoo.

Well Decurion, sometimes stealing me away doesn't sound like such a bad idea. But I'd have to come back around dinner time. Magoo doesn't know how to cook. Don't suggest him calling for delivery service. He hates phones. Besides, he only likes my cooking. I put "love" in each meal.

dkaz, where ya been?

The parody was perfection.

Hi Brent,

I've been surfin' the Vine. The parody was perfection. But the message was still sad. We shouldn't be in the shape we're in. We've been sold and resold down the river. But I still have faith that one day someone will come along and get us out of this mess. It would be nice if the first thing he/she did was to bring the industrial jobs back to the U.S. and put people back to work. If people are working, they'll have less time to be in the streets picketing and crime would drop.

Nice seeing you again, sweetie. I'll see you on Hek's calendar if not sooner.

I'm with you-Palin in 2012!

Hek's calendar?

I'm with you-Palin in 2012!

Well, thanks for being with me but don't include Palin.

Hek's calendar?

Oops! Wrong dude. Sorry Brent. I guess I got my men mixed up.

Sorry for the brief derail krishna!

No problem!

We now return you to the discussion in progress...

OH NO YOU DON'T!! YOU GET RIGHT BACK HERE MR. I WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW WHY I BECAME A LUSTFUL WENCH.

Now we return to the discussion in progress.

-- I hope you don't mind if I drag this one out and post it here..

Krishna, it's your article. You can drag anything out and show it to us......[laughing]...come on....drag it out.

Seriously, I couldn't stand RuPaul and I'll be perfectly honest with you as to why.

I don't like it when a man has better looking legs than I do.

He looks better than Tyra. Not in the face, but check out the legs.

perhaps as many times as people like you act with total irreverance towards a president, not for his work, which turned around free-falling job losses each month under Bush, to less and less job losses under the Stimulus, but for his physical characteristics like his big ears.

The allusion to the big eared elephant was rather infantile by the way.

I probably don't need to mention the fact that the same type of people who would make fun of "Obdumbo" for his ears are the same type of people who think physical characteristics are important... in other words, most likely a racist.

I probably don't need to mention the fact that the same type of people who would make fun of "Obdumbo" for his ears are the same type of people who think physical characteristics are important... in other words, most likely a racist.

Didn't take long for a bama sheep to play the racist card. Sheesh!

Didn't take long for a bama sheep to play the racist card. Sheesh!

NYPeach - It's the card they play whenever he slips in the polls.

I wasn't aware that ear size was a characteristic of race to begin with. I wonder if the poster thinks 'dumb blonde' jokes are 'racist' against Swedes.

jimiracle must have missed the Bush with monkey ears cartoons for the last 8 years....

with total irreverance towards a president, not for his work

OK, I'll bite. What work again?

anita

for me:

i received a tax break for myself as did my wife. we now bring home more money.

my wife and i received an $8,000 tax rebate from our purchase of a new home.

several of my friends and family members benefited from the recent c.a.r.s. program.

for our community:

our county received $4,000,000 in stimulus funding for our schools. in our small, rural county this money has gone a long way.

our county received several millions of dollars for roadway improvements, which have helped to pave some county highways that were in disrepair for quite some time.

for our nation:

obama has helped to open up a dialogue with many nations with which we had poor relations in the past. for this, and his sentiment towards a global community and the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, obama was awarded the nobel peace prize.

as commander-in-chief, obama gave the go ahead to our troops to rescue american sailors taken hostage by somali pirates.

he sent bill clinton to north korea to help in obtaining the release of two u.s. journalists.

this is a very quick list off of the top of my head. i would say that some work has been done. in ten months it is not too bad, and there is a lot more that has been done. this is not a comprehensive list by any stretch of the imagination. comments like yours cause one to lose credibility.

The sad Truth is you have been fooled.

Biggest example you said you got a 8,000 tax credit. Well you did and you didn't. When the government announced the tax credit for new home purchases the retail markets reacted just as expected. People bought new homes in droves, however as usual when the government interferes with free markets the law on intended consequences kicks in.

What you perceived as a tax credit was actually got wrapped in the price of the home and you financed it over 30 years. House prices were adjusting down from the inflated levels caused during the government mortgage pushing scam which lead to the first collaspe.

The housing market had not corrected yet. After the home buyer credit was in effect we saw a buyers market turn back into a sellers market. The prices quit dipping, buyers and bankers took their fair share of the 8,000 in closing cost and price of the homes.

So instead of first time home buyer credit, it should have been named banker bailout #2. It stopped many foreclosures, which is not all bad, but it would have been better long term to leave the market alone.

I know it adversely affected me. I was in a position and willing to upgrade from my town home to a larger 4 bedroom, with my kids getting older, and most likely going to be living with through college we need a bigger place.

The market was over inflated, the prices were dropping where it would have made sense for me to buy a larger home, however the tax credit program perverted the behaviors in the market to the extent that i was unwilling to pay the stabilized price, when the program runs it course that same home will cost 10K less than it does today.

I could go a vent about the cash for clunkers program as well.

In the end we the taxpayers foot the bill when government spends either directly or indirectly (i.e. tax credits) The government does not make money to spend it can only take and redistribute our money someplace else.

800 lb. gorilla

i received a tax break for myself as did my wife. we now bring home more money.

my wife and i received an $8,000 tax rebate from our purchase of a new home.

several of my friends and family members benefited from the recent c.a.r.s. program.

... all of which come at the expense of other taxpayers. Like me for example. C.A.R.S. also screwed over private mechanics and junkyeard operators. All this president knows how to do is rob Peter to pay Paul, and that's "work" honest Americans don't need. Obama demonstrates continually that he's keeping at least one campaign promise: the one he made to Joe the Plumber.

mark

i do not know how i was fooled. the market fell, so we could finally afford a house. we bought it (closed) over a month ago, and my wife was on the paperwork the same day. we received our check in the mail a few days ago. i guess that i was fooled all the way to the bank.

rick

i said that he had done work and he has. not everyone will agree with what has been accomplished, but to those who say that obama has not done anything, i say false. your argument is a different one. it is much more complex than the simple argument of obama doing something vs. nothing. he did say he would redistribute wealth. there was never any doubt about it. there is a certain portion of the people that find the story of robin hood to be quite romantic. i believe, in part, that is the reason why barack obama is the president of the united states.

800 lb. gorilla

Obama's done more harm than good IMO. The stimulus is a disaster, and annexing General Motors ranks among the kookiest things I ever saw the feds do.

there is a certain portion of the people that find the story of robin hood to be quite romantic

Good. Give 'em a new line on Form 1040 and let them donate their wealth to Obama's programs. I reserve for myself the right to choose how my own wealth is spread, and I do a far more efficient job of spreading than a federal bureaucracy ever could.

rick

I reserve for myself the right to choose how my own wealth is spread

well, within the confines of what the i.r.s. leaves you. i do hope that (unlike some of our elected members of congress) you pay your taxes. i pay a lot of taxes, but if they told me the rate would slightly go up, then i would not go nuts or anything. i am for the masses, and i do not make even close to $250,000 per year.

i received a tax break for myself as did my wife. we now bring home more money

What kind of a tax break did you get? There haven't been any tax cuts implemented yet so how did you get one?

The sad Truth is you have been fooled.

That's right.... but it's the right-wing that have been played as fools all along, not the left. Bush said his tax breaks would save the economy, then we had a recession in '02. Bush said it would stimulate the economy, but all it did was sit in the richest of the rich bank accounts... it didn't help the average republican one iota. Republican ideology caused de-regulation, massive bubbles in the market, and crashed the entire world's economic system, but you claim who has been fooled? Bush claims we need a bail out for the banks, then gives them the money as fast as he can without any restrictions to help start business, save people from foreclosures, or anything else. He didn't even write down who got what money... and you say Obama is fooling us?

I reserve for myself the right to choose how my own wealth is spread, and I do a far more efficient job of spreading than a federal bureaucracy ever could.

Yeah.. that's why before Social Security, millions fell through the cracks and died of starvation, cold, heat, right? You think we should go back to the way it was? Or how about before Medicare when millions fell through the cracks of not having health care to die for simple diseases with simple and manageable cures or therapies? Do you think you can be more efficient than Medicare too?

Please say yes, and prove how stupid you are.

The funniest part is this: you probably aren't even a person who benefitted from the Bush tax cuts. Odds are that you're not, because they really only helped the top 10% wage earners. Everyone else had an increase in taxes, especially if you're talking about Reagan, who lowered taxes on the rich, then had the most massive payroll tax increase in history. With both Bush and Reagan, the massive decrease in taxes meant less money to go to the states in the form of "block grants", which led to the states having less money to pay for police, firemen, teachers, regulation enforcement, roads, bridges, highways, and court systems, but they still had to pay for these things, so they raised your property tax, your school tax, your sales tax and state tax to do so - resulting in..... higher tax burdens for the middle class under Bush and Reagan.

But go ahead, keep voting against your own best interests. They'll just keep making fools out of you, making you think you're getting a tax break when you actually end up paying more.

Didn't take long for a bama sheep to play the racist card. Sheesh!

Didn't take long before a person called Obama a stupid name without any argument of substance either, did it?

jimiracle must have missed the Bush with monkey ears cartoons for the last 8 years....

Except the difference is this: You take his physical characteristics and then use that as a starting off point to insult him, as if its the physical characteristics that matter. We took Bush's actions, and used that as a starting off point to prove he was a caricature of himself. Don't worry; I realize you won't understand the difference... but just saying.

We took Bush's actions, and used that as a starting off point to prove he was a caricature of himself. Don't worry; I realize you won't understand the difference... but just saying.

Explain again.....? I think Obama and Bush look alike.

The allusion to the big eared elephant...likely a racist...

I'm sorry - I hope I did not offend any big eared elephants...

Perhaps I should have referenced the 'liar-in-chief' and 'groveler-in-chief' as Mr O'bow-ma, or Barry H'Insane O'mao-bama, so no animals could possibly be offended.

There are many Blacks/mixed race people, each of whom would make a great US president (including 2 on Newsvine), and they do not have a bunch of low-life anti-American terrorists and Chicago thugs as friends. The big-eared, despicable O'Bummer is not a person who has America's best interests at heart. Nor is he personally deserving of any respect (except, of course, from those who hate what America stands for & wish to see her fall) - as even the leftists at SNL are finally realizing...

I think Obama and Bush look alike.

So do I...

luke

there was a tax cut implemented in february or so. working couples were to get approximately $800 more per year (that was their initial figure). i actually am paying about $800 per year less in taxes and my wife is paying $400 less, so we are netting about $1,200 more in take home pay this year. will we have to pay some taxes at the end of the year? that remains to be seen, but i would rather have my money up front to do with it what i please.

corie

insults and name calling will never sell a debate point. also, you may offend communists or chinese people with your insults. to them, using mao as an insult would amount to a slur. perhaps, you could make your popints without the name calling and insults and tell us what about obama's policies and positions offends you so much.

Gorillaboy....So you want to government to give you a loan, and then you will pay taxes on it. Sounds like you clearly have a money management issue. May I ask, how much debt do you have? Do you own your house & cars? Zero balance on your cards? Money saved?

If you cannot answer yes to all of these questions, then you are not a person who should have any say in the financial matters of this country. People who do not know how to handle their own finances need to STHU

Obama's new name is Earth's Superbower

800 lb. gorilla

I reserve for myself the right to choose how my own wealth is spread

well, within the confines of what the i.r.s. leaves you. i do hope that (unlike some of our elected members of congress) you pay your taxes.

Of course I pay my taxes. What I and millions of over conservatives are concerned about is the disconnect between who uses his credit card (Obama) and who pays the bills (you, me, and all other taxpayers). He doesn't give a damn how much he spends because he's not responsible for paying for it. As a result we now have the largest budget deficit in the nation's history.

i pay a lot of taxes

Expect to pay more. Although the sneaky feds won't be collecting them all on Form 1040 where we can actually see what we're on the hook for.

Anita Bail Out

Obama's new name is Earth's Superbower

Did ya see this vid yet? I thought there was like an office of protocol that would brief the prez on how to act when meeting foreign dignitaries.

rick

the largest deficit in history is not a direct result of that. you can not say that is a fact. obama added to the already largest deficit in history, and his overall impact was to increase it, but he did not create it.

800 lb. gorilla

You confuse the deficit (a year-to-year measure) with the national debt (the cumulative result of years of deficit spending). Obama's demonstrated already that he's worse than Bush in the deficit department.

We CAN say it is his fault, since HE is the ONE spending ALL the MONEY.

rick

yes, you are correct. i meant our national debt. it is not good. however, obama was saddled with a very high debt. i am not sure what the largest deficit we have had or when it occurred or if this year will be the highest. i need to see the numbers. however, even that can be misleading as all administrations play the numbers game.

there was a tax cut implemented in february or so. working couples were to get approximately $800 more per year (that was their initial figure). i actually am paying about $800 per year less in taxes and my wife is paying $400 less, so we are netting about $1,200 more in take home pay this year. will we have to pay some taxes at the end of the year? that remains to be seen, but i would rather have my money up front to do with it what i please.

There have been NO TAX CUTS implemented at all by Obama!!! I don't know what kind of "tax break" you think you are getting but you are mistaken!

800 lb. gorilla

obama was saddled with a very high debt

Exactly, so his first priority is to reduce it. He's doing the exact opposite, on steroids.

luke

it was called the "making work pay" tax credit, but was not distributed as rebate checks. it came directly out of people's paychecks and mine increased by about $33 per check (times 26) for a total of $858. look it up on google. it was called a credit, but it amounted to a tax cut.

rick

in a more perfect world, then he could have worked toward that goal, but i do not see how cutting social programs and by not attempting to stimulate the economy, that we would not fall into chaos. for many, the reality is chaos right now, so a little help for the people might not be a bad thing. now that things may be (read may be) stabilizing, hopefully they will turn to fixing the deficit and the national debt.

by not attempting to stimulate the economy

OK, I'm sorry, but HOW THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU STIMULATE THE ECONOMY WITH LEVERAGE THAT YOU PRINT IN THE TREASURY BASEMENT? Do you really not get it that China gave us REAL MONEY for that, and that we are going to have to repay them??

I think this job is best left to those of us who know how to pay for what we buy and are successful entrepreneuers, and not a bunch of spoiled brats who max out their credit cards on PURPOSE.

800 lb. gorilla

i do not see how cutting social programs and by not attempting to stimulate the economy, that we would not fall into chaos.

#1, the government can at best pump up liquidity to give the economy a sugar high like what we've had over the past half year or so. There's no read food here, the kind that the economy can produce. #2, we're going into chaos anyway; the feds just want to make it look like they're doing something for the people so they can get re-elected.

for many, the reality is chaos right now, so a little help for the people might not be a bad thing

I agree, as long as the help comes from fellow Americans. I donate to charities that assist people in need of food and shelter. Reliance upon the federal government for one's livelihood is a slippery slope leading to national fiscal disaster.

now that things may be (read may be) stabilizing

We all have opinions; mine is that the worse is yet to come.

hopefully they will turn to fixing the deficit and the national debt.

A liberal president and Congress? You must be joking.

wasn't clinton a democrat and a liberal? he balanced the budget. you can not make blanket assumptions or statements and win in any debate.

hopefully they will turn to fixing the deficit and the national debt.

A liberal president and Congress? You must be joking.

both the bush administration and congress and the clinton administration and congress say otherwise. generalizations are not to be used as wholesale fact, so no, i am not joking. that is what i indeed hope.

He got credit for a Republican controlled congress forcing a balanced budget on him, and some tricky short term debt refinancing.

Bill got his hands tied, he did the smart thing he came back to the middle. Overall Bill didn't fair that bad, but he did get forced to the middle.

Biggest mistake of Bill's he ignored the Islam problem.

800 lb. gorilla

so no, i am not joking. that is what i indeed hope.

Given their track record so far, the smart money says it's not going to happen. When more "too big to fail" companies hit the skids Congress will be right there throwing more good money after bad as they've been doing for over a year now.

The best I could imagine is that next year's deficit will be lower than this year's, which still implies a rising cumulative debt. Even that's a stretch though.

Actually I thought it was hilarious my wife and I downloaded it. Just cause i support the president doesnt mean he is above ridicule. The jokes on Palin were funny too.

Yeah..but you're a 'normal dem', 4real. =D

Yeah..but you're a 'normal dem', 4real. =D

not a dem pat. Independent. I happened to have voted dem that time. But I will take that as a complement

SNL-passes the plate around, for sure!!!!!!!! I know the dems are going to take it like it is served, hot and sassy.

This was the funniest Obama skit SNL has done to date. Usually they fall really flat - as in not funny because they weren't funny or even clever. As a long time SNL fan and an Obama supporter, I'm always up for a good laugh. Over the past few years, nothing, imo, will top Tina Fey's Palin. Close second might be Amy Poehler's Hillary.

It isn't funny or clever if they can't be truthful.

Saying "0" jobs created took all the humor out of it. It would be like making fun of Palin for privatizing Alaska after handing out huge amounts of oil money to the citizens by saying she didn't give them anything. It would be like making fun of Bush for claiming to have helped fight AIDS by saying he didn't do anything in Africa.

I hope you people have some common sense. Otherwise, you'd laugh at anything that derides anyone, regardless of the facts, just because you're biased.

No, it didn't take the humor out of it. Your attempts to derail the comedic value Obama has brought us are failing jimster.

Accept it-your guy is one and gone.

I hope you people have some common sense. Otherwise, you'd laugh at anything that derides anyone, regardless of the facts, just because you're biased.

Cant speak for everyone, but I dont look for accuracy from SNL, that's the new's job. The skit was funny. If people took it as fact at face value, well then that is a sad commentary of how too many Americans gather their facts.

John Stewart is creditied, mainly by the left, for bringing important issues up on the Daily Show.

SNL cut through the political correct haze when they pointed out (a few times) how Obama was being treated with kid gloves compared to Hillary during the campaigns.

Maybe, just maybe, the "Mainstream Media" will try to look at Obama objectively.

Yeah, and maybe I'm a Chinese jet pilot (Bruce Campbell, Army of Darkness)......

Saying "0" jobs created took all the humor out of it. It would be like making fun of Palin for privatizing Alaska after handing out huge amounts of oil money to the citizens by saying she didn't give them anything. It would be like making fun of Bush for claiming to have helped fight AIDS by saying he didn't do anything in Africa.

Get off NewsVine Rahm! Nobody wants an official response from the Obama administration on a silly NewsVine post! You can say it wasn't funny as many times as you want to, but it was HILARIOUS and you and the rest of the Obama administration just have to deal with the fact that SNL PWNED your ass!!!

Get off NewsVine Rahm! Nobody wants an official response from the Obama administration on a silly NewsVine post! You can say it wasn't funny as many times as you want to, but it was HILARIOUS and you and the rest of the Obama administration just have to deal with the fact that SNL PWNED your ass!!!

Oh please... you can't handle a little intellectual argument from a common carpenter, who works on a team where 4 out of 5 of us agree with Obama? So you try to convince yourself that (since I pwned your ass with facts, not lies) it was an official response? Please... you make yourself look so desperate.... try to maintain your dignity!

Cant speak for everyone, but I dont look for accuracy from SNL, that's the new's job. The skit was funny. If people took it as fact at face value, well then that is a sad commentary of how too many Americans gather their facts.

So what you're saying is that you aren't looking for any satire ( Satire ... the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.)...

You'd rather pick on people for vices that are just made up? Or was it just the "potty humor" of it all you liked with the sexual innuendo?

In either case... THAT is the sad commentary, if anything...

That was really funny. Onion news parodies are fantastic.

In January 2001, The Onion wrote an article titled “Bush: Our Long National Nightmare of Peace and Prosperity Is Over."

WASHINGTON, DC – Mere days from assuming the presidency and closing the door on eight years of Bill Clinton, president-elect George W. Bush assured the nation in a televised address Tuesday that "our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over."

"My fellow Americans," Bush said, "at long last, we have reached the end of the dark period in American history that will come to be known as the Clinton Era, eight long years characterized by unprecedented economic expansion, a sharp decrease in crime, and sustained peace overseas. The time has come to put all of that behind us."

During the 40-minute speech, Bush also promised to bring an end to the severe war drought that plagued the nation under Clinton, assuring citizens that the U.S. will engage in at least one Gulf War-level armed conflict in the next four years.

On the economic side, Bush vowed to bring back economic stagnation by implementing substantial tax cuts, which would lead to a recession, which would necessitate a tax hike, which would lead to a drop in consumer spending, which would lead to layoffs, which would deepen the recession even further.

Bush concluded his speech on a note of healing and redemption.

"We as a people must stand united, banding together to tear this nation in two," Bush said. "Much work lies ahead of us: The gap between the rich and the poor may be wide, be there's much more widening left to do. We must squander our nation's hard-won budget surplus on tax breaks for the wealthiest 15 percent. And, on the foreign front, we must find an enemy and defeat it."

Yes it will soon be us Americans crafting children's toys out of lead , and producing toxic baby formula for export. ;)

Hilarious vid! Thanx...

So if they Chinese are "bending over" for us... to what avail? They are getting huge amounts of interest. They wouldn't be doing it if they didn't think it would work. Or they would never get back their money.

For what reason would they allow us to "screw" them over?

And btw... how does this equate to our becoming the new "cheap manufacturers" who will produce lead poisoned toys, etc? Only if the GOP has their way and de-regulates is that possible. The Chinese are learning a lesson of market capitalism by seeing thier sales wane when they find lazy comrades-in-charge producing poor quality goods. They, also, had children affected by these toys and dogs affected by their dog food. To think that the lesson actually goes the opposite way is just silly.

Sorry, but that joke made no sense either. It was just "potty" humor for the intellectually challenged.

Jim. Ok! We get it! You like Obama....

There are plenty of "Fox News lies", "Rush Limbaugh is a fat drug addict", and "Sarah Palin is dumb" left wing orgy-of-hatred articles you could be on right now. You can actually drool while you contribute to the insult chains. It's OK. I won't tell anyone.

Just do it somewhere else..............

They wouldn't be doing it if they didn't think it would work.

Obviously never had a macro-economics class. China hates us. They don't want it to work.

Or they would never get back their money

See my comment above. They'll get it back alredy. It's collateralized by the full faith and credit of the United States Treasury. Know what happens when China wants their money back and they don't want printed money? EveryBODY's taxes are going up, my brother!

This kind of thinking is exactly why we have such a big problem

Jim. Ok! We get it! You like Obama....

There are plenty of "Fox News lies", "Rush Limbaugh is a fat drug addict", and "Sarah Palin is dumb" left wing orgy-of-hatred articles you could be on right now. You can actually drool while you contribute to the insult chains. It's OK. I won't tell anyone.

Just do it somewhere else..............

LOL One SNL skit about the Bama and it sends a few of his sheeple over the edge....can you imagine there collective reaction when the Bama loses in 2012? This time I hope they carry through with there threats and actually leave the country!

There are plenty of "Fox News lies", "Rush Limbaugh is a fat drug addict", and "Sarah Palin is dumb" left wing orgy-of-hatred articles you could be on right now. You can actually drool while you contribute to the insult chains. It's OK. I won't tell anyone.

Except that those things are actually true.

Just do it somewhere else..............

What? You afraid of any intellectual truth? Or just believe in censorship? Go ahead and censor lies, if you'd like. I'll even help you. But don't censor truth unless you're a dictator, proving how "american" you are. Like I said, those other things ARE true.

The NOT-American Rupert Murdoch has admitted that he tried to "influence" Americans into supporting the Iraq war, which turned out to be based on lies. He even agreed with Glenn Beck to say that Obama was racist, proving where his bias is.

And Rush Limbaugh IS a big fat drug addict... indicted for "doctor shopping" ... he was even caught with illegal drugs coming back from the Dominican Republic (a bunch of non-prescribed Viagra from an island notorious for it's kiddie prostitution).

And Sarah Palin IS dumb, not even able to mention what she reads until a whole year later (if she really reads is another question). She even fights against a made-up issue about "death panels" when she herself proposed the same "death panels" (end-of-life counseling) in her own state a year before the election! How can that be anything other than dumb? And wow... she left her mayorship with the town going from a balanced budget to one that was 22 million dollars in the hole! Then quits her governorship half-way through... well, I guess that proves more of the point of her supporters being stupid, but anyway.

Keep defending your issues this way; you're helping me make my point. Thank you!

But meanwhile, Obama took a plummetting employment statistic created by the GOP and turned it around, as you can see from this Department of Labor graph:

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=CES0000000001&output_view=net_1mth

SO ... it is quite different, as you can see... because there is actually TRUTH to that stuff, but none to the Obama making "0" jobs.

One SNL skit about the Bama and it sends a few of his sheeple over the edge....

Pointing out the truth is not going over the edge... but making an argument that is void of substance, and simply derogatory of another is. Where are your facts to defend this satire which has no ironic truth to it? You have none, so you go "over the edge" to attack the messenger rather than just admit, yeah... it was rather stupid... because you enjoyed it out of a sick sense of bias rather than it actually being any true parody.

As they say... "case closed".

See my comment above. They'll get it back alredy. It's collateralized by the full faith and credit of the United States Treasury. Know what happens when China wants their money back and they don't want printed money? EveryBODY's taxes are going up, my brother!

No kidding! Thanks for making a great point! So as you MUST agree, it made NO sense for the chinese to complain about being reamed when we are the ones about to be reamed! I've complained since Bush started his huge tax cuts for the rich, which were never paid for unless you count borrowing money from China to pay for the huge tax cuts, as a matter of national security. Did the GOP (or you) say anything then?

So the skit was, again, not true to the actual events. We are the ones that are potentially getting reamed, not the Chinese. And all because Bush wanted to give HUGE TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS to the rich, by borrowing money that our middle-class workers will be paying the interest for (for generations to come)!

At least when Obama did so, it was an emergency (created by the Bush Recession).

When Bush did so, it was just to make the middle class pay for the trillions that the nation's elitists stashed away in their bank accounts.

Thanks for making my point! (though I doubt you saw that coming).

jim

while several of the points you have made about the sketch being wrong are true, i still find the sketch funny. it is possible that many americans do not realize that we are deeply in debt to china, so for that snl should score some points. the impressions were not all that horrible and the sophmoric parts involving the sexual innuendo are funny. that being said, yes, they were many extreme exaggerations in the sketch that were far from the truth or outright lies. however, i will give snl poetic license as it is a comedy show. it is a sad commentary that some from the right would believe that this sketch is actually quite accurate.

And our government continues to max out our Chinese Credit Cards, promising, like a college freshman out of control, to stop.

most of the debt was accumulated because we could not afford to pay for our wars. sometimes, being the policeman of the world has some very high costs (loss of life, money, detrimental effects on the homeland). these are things that should be considered before sending troops to any foreign country.

NYPeach

can you imagine there collective reaction when the Bama loses in 2012?

Sales of alcoholic beverages will skyrocket.

This time I hope they carry through with there threats and actually leave the country!

I hear North Korea is nice ... much more harmonious with leftist ideology too :-)

no one threatens to leave if obama loses. they only threaten to leave if palin wins. if romney or huckabee are elected to the presidency, then, i believe, that most would stay.

gorilla

no one threatens to leave if obama loses.

that is a blanket generalization and probably is not true. you should say something like 'most people' or 'many'.

Perhaps the single-biggest fundraising one-liner in political history:

Donate to Sarah, and the Libs Promise to Leave

Anita

Donate to Sarah, and the Libs Promise to Leave

Hey, like Judy Tenuta says it could happen!

anita

do you really think that she gives the gop their best chance? i have to believe that huckabee or romney or even jindal would have a better shot than palin. i guess the debates will tell us what we need to know.

No, but I think that her conservative values and her popularity will go a long way toward the future success of the party. No matter what you think about her, she's an undeniable home run. People love her.

anita

palin appeals to the most conservative. however, the hard-core conservative base of the gop does not even come close to enough people to make up a majority of people that could win an election. i believe that with people like palin rising in the ranks of the gop, then moderates will be pushed out. this, in turn, will actually hurt the republican party's chances in the not-so-near future. right now she does well because there is a backlash from what people see as a too liberal administration, but when this congress or white house changes, then the gop will have to, again, begin to gravitate more toward the center or lose some of its voting base.

anita

No matter what you think about her, she's an undeniable home run. People love her.

liberals hate her, and so do many left leaning moderates. mass appeal usually works better for general success among the populace. she is a homerun within the ranks of rightwing conservatism.

You need to check around. The only place she's NOT popular is with the left. True moderates and conservatives (which are most of the people in this country) like her. The fact that the left hates her really makes the right want to suppor her even more. When the left insults and degrades her, they do two things: Expose their fear of her values; and, motivate her supporters to work even harder on her behalf. Oh, and books sales are doing great.

What the left doesn't understand is that their ideas and value system is not somehow more evolved than anyone else's. They remind me of a pack of yorkies trying to scare away a strange dog. Lots of loud yapping, but no real bite behind all that bark.

The only place she's NOT popular is with the left

But... but I hate her.

True moderates and conservatives (which are most of the people in this country)

If the right has more people than the left, how did Obama get elected and congress get handed to the dems?

Expose their fear of her values

And what might those values be? Finishing what you started and honoring your duty are clearly not on the list.

it seems we elect someone of one party, and they control the office for a few terms-- then the pendulum swings the other way-- and then back.

Exactly. I just have fun messing with the people who have the delusion that any president they did not vote for won by cheating ( the birthers come to mind), that somehow if they did not vote for the president it means America did not vote for him. And before you ask I have run across some who really think this.

Are you feeling a bit defensive for Obama GED? What does this have to do with the sketch?

What does this have to do with the sketch?

It's also funny? It has to do with a POTUS? The actors in the two skits would both make lousy Presidents?

Mr. X

The actors in the two skits would both make lousy Presidents

lol

Bush was a walking, talking parody skit. Comedy shows would usually run bits of his news conferences without editing.

O has only been in office...........how many months?

O has only been in office...........how many months?

Should I link to 'My Pet Goat" video?

What about "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US" dossier?

The Obama travesty has now lasted 10 months.

"My Pet Goat" and "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US" video.

now that's bipartisan...........( "

SNL had its best ratings doing Sarah Palin parody skits.

That's because conservatives thought it was funny too. We have something called "a sense of humor."

We have something called "a sense of humor."

Conservatives generally watch insipid game shows like Wheel of Furtune, Price is Right, and FoxNews.

SNL's demographics are primarily young adults who went big for Obama.

Do you like to be kissed when Obama does "the sex" to you? Pitcher? Catcher?

Obama is @!$%#ing conservatives.

Do you often display such confusion? From the looks of things, President Empty Suit could use some Viagra.

As opposed to the 8 years of the Bush empty suit and empty head administration?

Conservatives generally watch insipid game shows like Wheel of Furtune, Price is Right, and FoxNews.

Nah, the last few months I've been watching The Drew Carey Show, King Of Queens, Seinfeld, The Office, Myth Busters, baseball and a bunch of History Channel/Discovery Channel stuff. Not one game show or Fox News.

gedanken_1

Conservatives generally watch insipid game shows like Wheel of Furtune, Price is Right, and FoxNews.

And you know this how? I'm a conservative, and I watch very little TV at all. When I'm watching news programming it's CNN or FOX about equally.

Admit it now, you're just another of the myriad anti-conservative bigots on Newsvine, spewing your bile into cyberspace from the safety of your anonymous screen name so no one can hold you accountable in the real world.

dank

generalizations will not help you convince anyone. you are killing your own argument.

rick

there you have it.

Geez people, its a freaking comedy skit. Stop fighting, this was supposed to be fun.

And you know this how?

Rickface,

Try this - it's for everyone.

Btw, are you still hibernating?

Ken Gedan

gedanken_1

Conservatives generally watch insipid game shows like Wheel of Furtune, Price is Right, and FoxNews.

Actually I find Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy kind of fun because I can often outperform the studio contestants. Just because you're not bright enough do the same doesn't make the shows insipid.

Rickace,

Game shows pick contestants with 85-100 IQ. They don't want the typical older viewer to feel dumb.

(My sister-in-law is in the business.)

so its all a big plot to make us feel good about ourselves...?

gedanken_1

Game shows pick contestants with 85-100 IQ. They don't want the typical older viewer to feel dumb.

(My sister-in-law is in the business.)

Tell her she's full of @!$%#. Contestants on Jeopardy for example are all quite intelligent and have a broad expanse of knowledge.

Jeopardy is fluff.

It's all haphazard rain man memory that older viewers with entropic brains can relate to.

gedanken_1

Jeopardy is fluff.

All game shows are fluff. That doesn't mean their constants are always the idiots you paint them to be. (Who Wants to Be a Millionaire though ... who knows. I wouldn't be surprised if the contestants read from a script.)

It's all haphazard rain man memory

Really now? I'm not a rain man and I know the questions to many of the answers on that show.

Your posts always have a tinge of ... nevermind ... 'nugh said.

so its all a big plot to make us feel good about ourselves...?

Yes, that's what commercial television is all about. They want you to buy the junk they are selling. The programs are used to create the "right" consumer environment.

No he won't. He will keep on with what he is doing. It is all he knows how to do. I works on campi and for community organization. Both of those arenas outcomes are never measured so getting together and talking about it and putting a plan on paper is all he has ever done.

In is so far in over his head it is really scary.

obama, pelosi and reid are much too arrogant and out of touch to do that, Leviticus.

tangojones -- Yeah there is that also.

Tappy, get out of the stall and check the whole thread. jimiracle has been crying about SNL's unfair misrepresentation since 6 AM Pacific time.

Tappy, get out of the stall and check the whole thread. jimiracle has been crying about SNL's unfair misrepresentation since 6 AM Pacific time.

Don't forget gedankin. I think he/she is going to need therapy after this seed!

brent and peach

i do not think that tappy meant individual posters here on the vine. they are hardly representative of the left, in general. perhaps, the generalities need to stop. it is not wise to lump everyone into one of two boxes. lefties and righties does not count everyone fully or do everyone in the crowd, justice. certainly, the president will not try to censor this as some have suggested. i would hope that he finds it funny because it is.

800 pounder, it's hard to take one seriously when their screen name is "Tappy McWidestance". Don't get me wrong, I think it's hilarious, but still, not serious.

I was thinking more about the skit last night. Since the right was all in a twist about Obama bowing to leaders of other nations, showing our subservience was their claim instead of just being respectful to their customs, shouldn't Obama have been the one bending over? The Chinese and Saudis own America because they own our debt. We are the ones who would be taking it in an uncomfortable place. Granted it was funnier to have the translator doing Pulp Fiction lines, but it seems like America isn't in the position to dictate policy like the skit inferred.

If anybody wants to know the real reason behind our invasion of Iraq, do some research on Saddam's threat to start trading oil in Euros instead of Dollars. The Chinese can do as they please because they, along with the oil producing states, control the value of the dollar. If they dump their holdings or oil begins trading in Euro, the dollar will collapse along with our economy. The last two years in America will seem like the good old days if that happens.

it's hard to take one seriously when their screen name is "Tappy McWidestance".

What can I say. Senator Craig is a hero of mine.

Second the fact they are even poking the sacred cow of Obama is remarkable again

Poke all you want, as long as it is based on truth, and not some desperate attempt for low humor which is socially and ethically irresponsible. Satire isn't satire when it is based on a lie.

The fast a show in liberal New York want to poke fun at Obama again.

I think we can all agree that makes no sense... but whatever...

His popularity is at 48% and dropping. More to come.

Your precious Reagan was at 45% after one year in office... what about that? GWB was even less before 9/11. So if you're trying to make a point... it's a ridiculous one.... proving you have more to think about before you speak.

Poke all you want, as long as it is based on truth, and not some desperate attempt for low humor which is socially and ethically irresponsible. Satire isn't satire when it is based on a lie.

This is getting to sound like one of the adults talking in a Peanuts cartoon... (waa waa, waa waa, waa waa waa waaa...)

"Based on truth" is nowhere in the definition of satire... look it up anywhere. You appear to have missed it when you posted the definition before. You want a basis in "truth", how's this: Pres. Obama met with Pres. Jintao, and they had a press conference. That's their basis in truth...

Now, for Christ's sakes, move on to something else already...

Your precious Reagan was at 45% after one year in office... what about that?

So, your argument boils down to: "Oh yeah, well other Presidents were as unpopular as this one!" Really?!

proving you have more to think about before you speak.

Indeed...

Satire ... the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.)...

"Based on truth" is nowhere in the definition of satire... look it up anywhere. You appear to have missed it when you posted the definition before. You want a basis in "truth", how's this: Pres. Obama met with Pres. Jintao, and they had a press conference. That's their basis in truth...

Oh, Smitty, you're so smart! Obviously it doesn't say "based on truth" in the definition. Who the hell would expect it to be a parody of made-up fiction? By your definition then, we can have the "truth" of "Pres. Obama met with Pres. Jintao, and they had a press conference" turned into Jintao praising Obama's basketball skills, or throwing a gun around threateningly too, right? We have all the "truth" you can bear just by the fact that they met, and all the rest can be made up, right?

Great... I see a future parody of Mitch McConnell getting upset over health care reform since his several illigitimate children will no longer need the CHIPS program.... after all, he IS upset over health care reform, is he not? Who cares if it spreads misinformation about Mitch McConnell and his whoremongering ways?

So, your argument boils down to: "Oh yeah, well other Presidents were as unpopular as this one!" Really?!

Really? So your argument is that his sole argument that Obama is "unpopular" as Bush and Reagan were after one year is okay... and your argument is just that I shouldn't have mentioned that part about Bush and Reagan. The Obama part was fine with you though.

Yeah... okay. No bias there. LOL

jimiracle

Poke all you want, as long as it is based on truth, and not some desperate attempt for low humor which is socially and ethically irresponsible. Satire isn't satire when it is based on a lie.

Oh oh, the Comedy Police are here.

And what would the lie be, exactly. Spell it out for me.

anita

And what would the lie be, exactly. Spell it out for me.

zero jobs created is a lie. i hope that i spelled it correctly.

800 lb. gorilla

Here are some lies for you to chew on.

All those billions of dollars, so little to show.

rick

that is irrelevant to the topic of debate. the question is whether or not it was a lie when the sketch said that zero jobs were created. that was a lie. we all know that there are serious accounting errors in this job count.

800 lb. gorilla --- Point of order, will not really, point of observation. Since when has staire have to be based completly on the rueth to be funny? And When did SNL start practieing telling the truth?

Just so you avoid the appearance of intellectual dishonesty, Gorilla, you are not speaking of a "net" number of jobs created! The fact that jobs continue to be lost, month after month, and you actually try to put a good spin on it is deplorable.

800 lb. gorilla

the question is whether or not it was a lie when the sketch said that zero jobs were created. that was a lie.

That's called exaggeration, and it's a common comedic device. Remember, this is SNL, not CNN.

Since when has staire have to be based completly on the rueth to be funny?

Satire has to be based in truth which is then exaggerated to a comedic end. If there is no base truth, there can be no satire. Satire is a method of complaining about something you disagree with. It is pretty hard to disagree with something that doesn't exist.

anita, mark, and rick

hey you guys, do not jump all over me. i am not the one making the argument. miracle was the one making the point that it was not funny because it was all lies. i thought it was super funny, even super, mega-funny. i was just answering the person who asked me, or jim, to point out the lies. you are all too sensitive.

anita

your argument is flawed because no one ever said that there would not be a net loss of jobs. that is not the argument on that point. the point is, "were jobs saved or created or not?" the answer is yes, even if it was only five freaking jobs. it was actually a lot more than five, like maybe twelve or something.

800 lb. gorilla --- I must have mis-read .... Didn't mean to falsely jump any one ....

it was actually a lot more than five, like maybe twelve or something

lol, alright then. I was only trying to make the argument that saying "jobs were created" is intellectually dishonest, unless you also disclose the number of jobs lost during the same period. It sounds alot better to say that we gained 12 jobs than to say we gained 12 jobs but lost 500 during the same period.

anita

I was only trying to make the argument that saying "jobs were created" is intellectually dishonest, unless you also disclose the number of jobs lost during the same period.

while there may be some truth in that, it is the way it has been done for decades. perhaps, all politicians and political machines are dishonest.

Well, it undermines any point you were trying to make and also makes it seem as if you are deliberately hiding the fact that MANY MANY more jobs were lost than were created. Its an omission of a significant detail and there is a name for this: Intellectual Dishonesty.

If you know something that, if disclosed, would be material to the discussion and, when that subject is raised, attempt to obfuscate the very idea that the information withheld is germaine to the conversation, it simply renders your original point moot and casts doubt on what you say in the future.

it was not my point. do you mean the general "you" that is all people?

it means you as in YOU and whoever else is being intellectually dishonest about the job numbers.

So what is your point? That politicians have been intellectually dishonest since the beginning of time, so why hold them to a higher standard?

the point was that a poster, i believe it was miracle, said that the skit was all lies and someone else asked where the lies were. i was just pointing one out. there is no major agenda there. it is what it is. the fact is that jobs are being saved or created. is it enough to stop the downward spiral? perhaps not, but it is better than having no new jobs to offset some of the losses.

So what is your point? That politicians have been intellectually dishonest since the beginning of time, so why hold them to a higher standard?

i am just saying that they have done the count like that for a long time. you may be aware of that. if you think or thought that it should be changed, then perhaps, you could have spoken up twenty or thirty years ago. however, better late than never.

Don't insult me. You have no idea what kind of leader I am in my community. You couldn't hold a candle to the speaking up I've been doing for the past twenty years.

the fact is that jobs are being saved or created. is it enough to stop the downward spiral?

Duh, YES it IS. Ever take an econ class? Know anything about the laws of supply & demand? Do you realize that the creation of jobs involves a vast myriad of economic dominoes?

Giving people the proper, accurate NO SPIN, information and not the watered down intellectual dishonesty that comes from politicians and then gets repeated by tools like you. No offense, but it is an INSULT to talk about job creation without including jobs lost. Stop trying to fool people with this crap.

anita

you need to relax. i am not fooling anyone. were jobs created or not? if you say yes, then i have won. i have never said that more jobs are not being lost or that the thousands of jobs created are turning the losses into gains. it is a fact that jobs have been created. that is all i ever said. to suggest that i have done anything other than that is disingenuous. you are arguing a totally different point than me. i do not even know what your reasoning could be. it is a fact that jobs have been created or saved. you can not dispute that. to say anything else is to use deflection or to bring something into this debate which is not the point. why you keep attacking me over something that other posters said is beyond me. fact: jobs have been created or saved. that is the end of this story.

Quit ignoring the word "net." I am talking about net jobs lost, and you are only counting the gain and ignoring the losses. Gain by itself is a meaningless number. We don't live in a vacuum.

NOW its the end of the story.

800 lb. gorilla

fact: jobs have been created or saved. that is the end of this story.

Ahh, but the crucial question is how many. There's the fabricated, inflated numbers that Obama's spin machine is dishing up, and then there's the stark reality Washington doesn't want you to know.

The stimulus has had an abysmally poor ROI, not to mention the usual suspects (crooks and fraudsters) are sharing in the wealth. But what can you expect when career politicians who have no business acumen whatsoever try their hands at being businessmen?

As for job creation, when the recession deepens again the number of job losses will swamp the number of jobs created. The net result will be millions more unemployed. Many will lose their employer-provided health care as I did in 2001. Two markets may very well see some job growth then: undertakers and gravediggers.

rick

the point is that even if it is two freaking jobs, then jobs have been created. i never said that the numbers were right or that it was good . i never said anything about it being thousand s of jobs, or that the unemployment numbers were going down or would go down. the fact remians that some jobs have been created or saved due to stimulus funds and there will be more coimng in the future.

anita

i never said anything about net job loss or gain. that is a totally different argument. there is no doubt that more jobs have been lost than have been created. again, i am stating a fact. it is a fact that jobs have been created. it is a fact that we still have a net job loss. it is a fact that we have very high unemployment. however, it is disingenuous for some posters to say that obama has done nothing or that no, meaning zero, jobs have been created.

800 lb. gorilla

the fact remians that some jobs have been created or saved due to stimulus funds and there will be more coimng in the future.

A mere handful. My property is about an acre and a half. If I go out for five minutes and rake leaves, I can say leaves have been raked. If the day is windy, more leaves will have fallen onto my yard than I have raked.

Net effect: the yard is deeper in leaves than when I began. It makes no sense for me to brag that I've taken a few of them off.

it is disingenuous for some posters to say that obama has done nothing or that no, meaning zero, jobs have been created.

I don't say he's done nothing. I say he's committed an egregiously large sum of money to create or save a woefully poor number of jobs. It's hands-down the single most ill-conceived, reckless and dangerous thing I've seen a president do in my 54 years as an American.

The national debt is the elephant in the middle of the living room. When it comes due, you'll grasp the gravity and foolhardiness of the stimulus.

rick

you should see the article that shows that bush's job creation (i thought that it was about obama when i saw the title) policies actually cost four times per job more than obama's. i am not trying to deflect here, for you said that it was the single worst thing done in 54 years. bush did four times worse according to that thread. i do not know if it is correct or not, i am just saying.

also, not all of the monies were for job creation. in my county, county highways were paved. no jobs were created or saved there, but the new roads were sorely needed. a lot of the criticisms do not take that money and subtract it when compiling numbers for money spent versus jobs created. infrastructure expenditures like that should be subtracted from the trillion dollars or whatever, but it isn't.

800 lb. gorilla

you should see the article that ...

Link please.

infrastructure expenditures like that should be subtracted from the trillion dollars or whatever, but it isn't.

And why pray tell did the president and Congress decide to commit money for infrastructure now when federal revenues are falling as a result of the recession? Belt-tightening is in order, but the spendthrift feds are doing exactly the opposite. What would you do if you have to take a big cut in pay? Go out and buy a new Hummer?

in my county, county highways were paved

And why pray tell was the federal government paying for paving of county highways, again in an era of falling revenues? You know a few months ago while driving on I-81 in Pennsylvania I saw a large sign on the side of the road bragging that construction in progress was funded by ARRA. That segment of highway though was in good shape and all the "construction" did was create huge traffic jams as both directions of traffic had to be sequenced through a one-lane bottleneck. Creating "work" that just makes problems for motorists and truckers isn't a proper use of federal funds.

rick

our hatred for traffic slowing due to construction aside, the stimulus funds were given to individual states and then the states determined which counties and municipalities would get the funds. here in our little rural county we have had a hard time making ends meet for years and now we have paved a small portion of the highways that are in disrepair. the goal was to improve infrastructure as well as create jobs. the need for infrastructure improvements was never so evident after the bridge collapse in minnesota. good infrastructure promotes public safety, and i am all for that.

rick

sorry i forgot about the link. here it is. of course this is from joulesbeef and, you know, he leans left. also, i did not fact check it. i just thought that it was interesting. i do recall that the tax cuts were supposed to create jobs though.

as joulesbeef sees it

http://joulesbeef.newsvine.com/_news/2009/12/01/3572194-he-shoved-this-28-trillion-dollar-bill-down-our-throats-with-the-promise-it-would-create-55-million-jobs-best-estitmate-it-created-700k

800 lb. gorilla

the goal was to improve infrastructure as well as create jobs

Those are Obama's talking points that he used as a carrot to sell that massive pile of @!$%# called ARRA to Congress and the people back in January.

Improving the infrastructure is per se a wholesome goal. It's how it's being funded that's the problem. I've already discussed that and the peril it places the nation in in the last two paragraphs of #18.29.

Fixing a few roads and bridges here and there in exchange for driving the entire nation closer to bankruptcy is a very foolish plan, which will cost us all dearly in the long run.

Enjoy that infrastructure while you can.

rick

while we may have some serious deficiencies in our economy, it remains to be seen where will end up. i suppose that if we keep our relationship with china strong (we have gone about it the wrong way, but they love us), then we will be fine. they do not want to see us tank, for they have a large stake in our economy and it doing well. also, since the new plan is to use pay as you go, then theorhetically, the debt will stabilize after a while. i am not saying that it will work, but i am saying that it could. hopefully it will. at least paygo is a step in the right direction. i would think that the right would applaud this.

mak

the sketch was hilarious. you need to lighten up. i know that you do not like obama and i did not say that you need to do so. however, i still wonder how the sketch was too close to the truth. it was the crazy exaggerations that made it so funny. are we deeply in debt to china? yes, and that is disturbing. however, there were some exaggerations there. there have been way more than zero jobs created or saved. that would be an example of an exaggeration to get a laugh.

Did you hear the one about the black guy who went to China?

mak

good luck with the job hunt. i never wish mal-intent upon my fellow viners. we may have differences of opinion, but in the end, we are all in this together.

Maybe Ill feel better when I find another @!$%#ing job.

Wish us both luck Gorilla, you should know...it's a jungle out there :-)

Wish us both luck Gorilla, you should know...it's a jungle out there :-)

Yes it is!!

Good grief-- he sounds like he's constipated!
Poor Tarzan!!!

Not after that yell. He got everything out.

Door King

Goobers can't tell the difference. That's why they are Goobers.

Yet another anti-conservative bigot weighs in, as if we needed any more of those on Newsvine.

The ignore list grows yet again.

rick

goober's, i mean door king's, point is probably correct, but he should not have attacked goobers, or conservatives, as he was implying. it made his argument weak.

dk

why insult when making a decent point? it destroys your credibility.

What??? Seriously??? SNL is hilarious!

What??? Seriously??? SNL is hilarious!

The opening skit is usually good. This week the Palin 2012 movie trailer was awesome. Weekend Update is hit or miss but usually scores a few good jokes. (Don't design your library to show the lights on when nobody's home was killer last week)

But beyond a few bits, SNL is a shell of its former self. Thankfully through the magic of the DVR, the lame parts can be skipped.

If I were you, I wouldn't toss around the term "mindless entities" loosely.

If I were you, I wouldn't toss around the term "mindless entities" loosely.

In a way, you just did. And you did so in a way that, since you offered nothing of substance, merely a personal attack on her, proves you to be a "mindless entity". Our discussion would be far better of a social interaction if you could at least try to make a point other than an insult. SO, I guess... thanks for making her point!

Not to worry Bill, Gigi's actual point was that anyone that dares make fun of the savior Obama, risks being called "SICK AND DISGUSTING". It was ok, when they poked fun at any other president, be int Clinton with his affair, or Bush with his "bushisms". But dare to invoke the wrath of the mighty Obama, and his lemmings will attack!