Newsvine
  • Welcome
  • Help
  • Report Bug
  • Conversation Tracker
  • Your Column
  • Replies
  • Friends
Type Comments Since You Last CheckedArticle Source Last Checked Stop Tracking All Clear Tracking All
Advertise | AdChoices
Log In | Register
Close the Login Panel
Existing users log in below. New users please register for a free account.

New Users:

Existing Users:

E-Mail:
Password:
Forgot Password?
Please enter the e-mail address or domain name you registered with:
E-Mail/Domain:
Back to Login
Log Out
  • Top News
  • Local News
  • World
  • U.S.
  • Sports
  • Politics
  • Tech
  • Entertainment
  • Science
  • Business
  • Health
  • Odd News
  • More
    • Arts
    • Education
    • Environment
    • Fashion
    • History
    • Home & Garden
    • Not News
    • Religion
    • Travel
Visit krishna-167929's column >>

KRISHNA-167929

Home Page
Spiritual Seeker
Articles Posted: 145  Links Seeded: 6697
Member Since: 7/2007  Last Seen: 5/01/2012

What is Newsvine?

Updated continuously by citizens like you, Newsvine is an instant reflection of what the world is talking about at any given moment.

Get a Free Account
Help
Fun Stuff
  • Your Clippings
  • Leaderboard
  • E-Mail Alerts
  • Top of the Vine
  • Newsvine Live
  • Newsvine Archives
  • The Greenhouse
  • Recommended Articles
  • Wall of Vineness
Put a Seed Newsvine link on your own site

Ideas for 'reverse flotillas' (To Turkey) gain steam

Seeded on Tue Jun 8, 2010 1:47 PM EDT
Read ArticleArticle Source: JPost.com
world-news, israel, terrorism, palestine, gaza, freedom, turkey, genocide, activism, occupation, kurds, humanitarian, flotilla, kurdistan, armenians, ihh, cypress
Seeded by krishna-167929
Advertise | AdChoices

"Although most of the recent talk regarding flotillas has revolved around ships sailing toward Gaza, at least two plans have emerged for "reverse flotillas" – from Israel toward Turkey – to highlight what organizers have labeled the Turks' "shameless hypocrisy" in their criticisms of the Jewish state.

The most ambitious of the two plans has been devised by members of Israel's National Student Union, who this week announced their intention to set sail toward Turkey, in an effort to bring humanitarian aid to the "oppressed people of Turkish Kurdistan" and to members of the "Turkish Armenian minority."

  • Enjoy this article? Help vote it up the 'Vine.

Published to:

  • krishna-167929's Column, All of Newsvine
  • Groups: Armenian Genocide, Liberate Kurdistan!, Outraged Americans For Justice, Unify Cyprus!, ZionVine
  • Regions: none
  • Public Discussion (48)
krishna-167929

“Our plan is to deliver much-needed humanitarian assistance to the Kurds of Turkey, who by the way outnumber Israelis and Palestinians combined,” he said.

“And to show that Turkey has its own issues when it comes to the treatment of its minorities, which they should consider before criticizing us.”

“But it’s here that we really get into the shameless hypocrisy of the Turks, because while they criticize us day and night, they are oppressing the Kurds and silencing the world when it comes to recognition of the Armenian Genocide.”

  • 8 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Jun 8, 2010 1:48 PM EDT
krishna-167929

Another sea-bound venture is being organized in an effort to draw attention to Turkey’s own controversial policies – this time to Cyprus, to “call for an end to the Turkish occupation” of the island’s northern half – and is being organized by Meretz activist Pinchas Har-Zahav, and his son Haim, who has also signed on for the voyage.

“If Uruguay or Iceland were the ones criticizing us so harshly, it might be a different story,” he said. “But we’re talking about a country that only seven years after [the Six Day War and the beginning of Israeli control of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank] began occupying Cyprus.

“We’re talking about a country that has systematically killed the Kurds and refuses to acknowledge their role in the Armenian Genocide,” he said.

“And so no, we will not accept this. The hypocrisy has to stop here.”

  • 8 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Jun 8, 2010 1:50 PM EDT
Perrie

Actually, this is a real issue in Turkey. Here is a link to a 60 minutes clip and an article about the terrible treatment that the Turkish Armenian minority are living under:

(CBS) Would it surprise you to learn that one of the world's most important Christian leaders, second only to the pope, lives in a country where 99 percent of the population is Muslim? His name is Bartholomew, and he is the patriarch of 300 million Orthodox Christians. He lives in Istanbul, Turkey, the latest in a line of patriarchs who have resided there since before there was a Turkey, since the centuries following the death of Jesus Christ.

That's when Istanbul was called Constantinople and was the most important city in the Christian world.

But times change, and in modern Muslim Turkey the patriarch doesn't feel very welcome. Turkish authorities have seized Christian properties and closed Christian churches, monasteries and schools. His parishioners are afraid that the authorities want to force Bartholomew and his church - the oldest of all Christian churches - out of Turkey.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/17/60minutes/main5990390.shtml

I am not sure why it's OK to mistreat Christians. Personally, I find it offensive and wonder why the world other than the Christian Orthodox are not offended. Personally, I am.

  • 8 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Jun 8, 2010 2:46 PM EDT
krishna-167929

(CBS) Would it surprise you to learn that one of the world's most important Christian leaders, second only to the pope, lives in a country where 99 percent of the population is Muslim? His name is Bartholomew, and he is the patriarch of 300 million Orthodox Christians. He lives in Istanbul, Turkey, the latest in a line of patriarchs who have resided there since before there was a Turkey, since the centuries following the death of Jesus Christ.

That's when Istanbul was called Constantinople and was the most important city in the Christian world.

But times change, and in modern Muslim Turkey the patriarch doesn't feel very welcome. Turkish authorities have seized Christian properties and closed Christian churches, monasteries and schools. His parishioners are afraid that the authorities want to force Bartholomew and his church - the oldest of all Christian churches - out of Turkey.

Actually, I have heard about the persecution of Christians in Turkey-- but much of the mainstream media downplays or ignores it as it is not pc.

  • 8 votes
#3.1 - Tue Jun 8, 2010 3:08 PM EDT
Reply
Jalmeno

I'm concerned for the welfare of these people. I don't think it will matter to the world if this boat is sunk. Turkey will express its feigned regret, and that will be it.

  • 9 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Jun 8, 2010 2:47 PM EDT
Perrie

I think that Turkey is smarter than that. They will be pissed, but they will do nothing. But at least, the Kurds and the Kurdistan and the Armenian minority will benefit.

  • 7 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Jun 8, 2010 3:05 PM EDT
krishna-167929

I think that Turkey is smarter than that. They will be pissed, but they will do nothing. But at least, the Kurds and the Kurdistan and the Armenian minority will benefit.

I think the Turkish atrocities against the Kurds (bombing their villages and claiming they are after terrorists) as well as the way the Turks suppress the rights of the Kurds in more urban areas is horrendous.

I would definitely consider contributing some money to support a freedom flotilla of this sort!

  • 10 votes
#5.1 - Tue Jun 8, 2010 3:10 PM EDT
Reply
larrrs

Where is the outrage? Where are all the concerned humanitarians? Not enough Jew-bashing involved with this issue; or, possibly it requires real bravery to face opposition that truly will fire before thinking.

Cowards.

  • 9 votes
#6 - Tue Jun 8, 2010 3:09 PM EDT
larrrs

I used to love turkey for Thanksgiving. I think we will have to switch to brisket.

  • 8 votes
#6.1 - Tue Jun 8, 2010 4:11 PM EDT
Buzz of the Orient

Take a look at my brisket recipe in my "comments" column on my page. I cook it in Coca Cola.

  • 5 votes
#6.2 - Tue Jun 8, 2010 9:03 PM EDT
larrrs

Thanks Buzz!

:~)

  • 6 votes
#6.3 - Tue Jun 8, 2010 9:13 PM EDT
krishna-167929

I cook it in Coca Cola.

Why is Coca Cola so popular in China?

  • 5 votes
#6.4 - Tue Jun 8, 2010 11:20 PM EDT
Buzz of the Orient

Why is Coca Cola so popular in China?

It's a combination of two things: First of all the Chinese love any kind of American style product, and secondly it's Coca Cola's extensive promotion here.

  • 4 votes
#6.5 - Tue Jun 8, 2010 11:38 PM EDT
krishna-167929

It's a combination of two things: First of all the Chinese love any kind of American style product, and secondly it's Coca Cola's extensive promotion here.

Interesting!

  • 4 votes
#6.6 - Tue Jun 8, 2010 11:45 PM EDT
Jalmeno

They also like to paint their cars every so often.

Coke removes the old paint very well!

  • 5 votes
#6.7 - Wed Jun 9, 2010 9:13 AM EDT
Perrie

It also causes decalcification of the bones, too!

  • 5 votes
#6.8 - Wed Jun 9, 2010 11:56 AM EDT
krishna-167929

Jalmeno

They also like to paint their cars every so often.

Coke removes the old paint very well!

Perrie

It also causes decalcification of the bones, too!

Wow-- sounds very versatile-- Ill have to try some with my Sweet and Pungent Roast Pussycat,

  • 6 votes
#6.9 - Wed Jun 9, 2010 12:40 PM EDT
Buzz of the Orient

Ill have to try some with my Sweet and Pungent Roast Pussycat,

In black bean sauce? Knievel would never approve. Oyster sauce maybe.

Coke removes the old paint very well!

It's also been known to remove rust.

  • 5 votes
#6.10 - Wed Jun 9, 2010 12:51 PM EDT
krishna-167929

It's also been known to remove rust

Sounds like it might also remove the lining of someone's stomach (little by little, of course).

  • 5 votes
#6.11 - Wed Jun 9, 2010 12:58 PM EDT
krishna-167929

They also like to paint their cars every so often.

Coke removes the old paint very well!

But at least it no longer has Cocaine in it: How Coca-Cola Obtains Its Coca

  • 5 votes
#6.12 - Wed Jun 9, 2010 1:01 PM EDT
Buzz of the Orient

But at least it no longer has Cocaine in it:

Yah, it's quite a trick to snort Coca Cola.

  • 5 votes
#6.13 - Wed Jun 9, 2010 1:47 PM EDT
krishna-167929

Yah, it's quite a trick to snort Coca Cola.

I hear it burns the lining of one's naval passages.

  • 5 votes
#6.14 - Wed Jun 9, 2010 2:34 PM EDT
krishna-167929

I hear it burns the lining of one's naval passages.

nasal passages

  • 5 votes
#6.15 - Wed Jun 9, 2010 2:35 PM EDT
Jalmeno

naval passages.

"blockade" on the brain?

  • 5 votes
#6.16 - Wed Jun 9, 2010 3:04 PM EDT
hhabilis

I use it to clean corroded battery terminals. Works great!

  • 4 votes
#6.17 - Wed Jun 9, 2010 3:08 PM EDT
larrrs

naval passages.

"blockade" on the brain?

No it may also burn naval passages too; you just need a BP sized spill of coke for it to really be affective

  • 5 votes
#6.18 - Wed Jun 9, 2010 3:52 PM EDT
Buzz of the Orient

I hear it burns the lining of one's naval passages.

You just divulged Israel's new secret weapon to use for a blockade. Now they can't use it.

  • 5 votes
#6.19 - Wed Jun 9, 2010 4:07 PM EDT
krishna-167929

You just divulged Israel's new secret weapon to use for a blockade. Now they can't use it.

Well, perhaps they will use Pepsi instead!

  • 3 votes
#6.20 - Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:28 AM EDT
krishna-167929

naval passages.

"blockade" on the brain?

Maybe-- only the Shadow nose!

  • 3 votes
#6.21 - Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:33 AM EDT
Buzz of the Orient

Well, perhaps they will use Pepsi instead!

It's interesting in that there was for quite a while a cola divisiveness between the English and French Canadians. Although Coca Cola was the favourite in English Canada, Pepsi, which for the same price sold a larger bottle, was the favourite of the French Canadians (more for their money). It got to be so distinct that French Canadians began to be known in English Canada as "Pepsis"

Maybe-- only the Shadow nose!...

...what evil lurks in the hearts of men. hehehehehe.

  • 4 votes
#6.22 - Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:51 AM EDT
larrrs

only the Shadow nose!

  • 3 votes
#6.23 - Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:15 AM EDT
Reply
Buzz of the Orient

Do you think Italy will come out and say that they will escort the flotilla to Turkey? 20 or 30 gondolas should do the trick.

  • 6 votes
Reply#7 - Tue Jun 8, 2010 3:34 PM EDT
krishna-167929

Do you think Italy will come out and say that they will escort the flotilla to Turkey? 20 or 30 gondolas should do the trick.

Actually I think you may be confusing Italy with Turkey!

  • 5 votes
#7.1 - Tue Jun 8, 2010 3:58 PM EDT
mork1from1ork

Buzz,

I am assuming that you mean the Pope's Italy, should be sending a "flotilla" to safeguard the aid and succor AND the Humanitarian Peace-activists to Christian Brethren.

STOP THE BLOCKADE OF ARMENIA, and STOP Religious Suppression by the Turks.

FREE KURDISTAN,and STOP ethnic Suppression by the Turks.

  • 7 votes
#7.2 - Tue Jun 8, 2010 4:09 PM EDT
Reply
tal6620

Can I sign up to be on the ship?

  • 7 votes
Reply#8 - Tue Jun 8, 2010 3:59 PM EDT
krishna-167929

Can I sign up to be on the ship?

I would imagine that a lot of people are really pissed at what the Turks have been doing to the Kurds-- there may be a lot of volunteers!

  • 9 votes
#8.1 - Tue Jun 8, 2010 4:02 PM EDT
Reply
DBE928

Back to Turkey--guess how they voted today on the Iran sanctions resolution in the UN? All the more reason to send a flotilla there, and maybe to Brazil too.

Turkey and Brazil voted AGAINST sanctions on Iran. Lebanon, under threat from Syria, was courageous enough to at least abstain.

The resolution imposes an arms embargo against Iran, blacklists entities controlled by the Islamic Republic Shipping Lines, and freezes the assets of certain individuals and organizations tied to Iran’s nuclear program and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. It also calls for tighter restrictions on Iranian banks, asking countries to avoid transactions that could be connected to Iran’s nuclear and missile programs.

Click here to see a copy of the resolution.

  • 4 votes
Reply#9 - Wed Jun 9, 2010 3:42 PM EDT
larrrs

Does any one doubt that this is going to come down to a major, MAJOR clash? It is only a matter of when. If the leading world powers would only take it on themselves to bite the bullet; and, just bitch-slap these sorry-assed countries like Iran, this would never be an issue.

  • 5 votes
#9.1 - Wed Jun 9, 2010 3:58 PM EDT
mork1from1ork

They are pretending to be otherwise,

but the leaders, of the leading world powers,

are THEMSELVES afraid...

...and their FEAR influences their actions.

This is NOT the time to shake...

KNOW that

there is a time to ACT

and there is a time to HOLD BACK

there is a time to ASK a question

and there is a time to KNOW the answer

there is a time to EXTEND your hand

and there is a time to FILL your hand

be brave, one can shake after one dies, or NEVER.

  • 5 votes
#9.2 - Wed Jun 9, 2010 7:25 PM EDT
Buzz of the Orient

In fact, there is a time for every purpose under heaven.

  • 5 votes
#9.3 - Wed Jun 9, 2010 8:47 PM EDT
Jalmeno

Oy.

I'm getting dizzy.

All this turning and turning...

  • 4 votes
#9.4 - Wed Jun 9, 2010 8:50 PM EDT
krishna-167929

Does any one doubt that this is going to come down to a major, MAJOR clash? It is only a matter of when. If the leading world powers would only take it on themselves to bite the bullet; and, just bitch-slap these sorry-assed countries like Iran, this would never be an issue.

Symbolically sanctions are a nice step-- but I don't think it will really have any significant impact on Iran.

  • 3 votes
#9.5 - Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:31 AM EDT
Reply
DBE928

Do any of us honestly think Obama would step up to the plate and order a bombing mission on Iran's nuclear facilities, or Syria's?

Especially after "sanctions" passed the UN, we have another year or more of dodging and lying by the IRGC, subterfuge, clandestine procurement, and then the announcement of a nuclear bomb.

By then it will be too late. But Obama will never realize it, nor would he likely be inclined to act in any case.

Of course, the Iranians, the Turks, and others realize this and will proceed with their Israel-bashing, unafraid of retaliatioj or support from the US government, now in the hands of an Alien in the White House, as the Wall St. Journal ably described today.

  • 3 votes
Reply#10 - Wed Jun 9, 2010 8:18 PM EDT
larrrs

I can only see a particular scenario that would push Obama in this direction. It would be a combination of utter and undeniable proof of Iran nuclear capability, possible loss of Saudi Arabian oil & the largest effector,---overwhelming loss of public political support in the US for Obama's policies. He would only send bombers if it is politically necessary; and I don't know that he would then.

I personally think that Obama's interests ultimately lie beyond the White House and he is absolutely still in campaign mode. He sees himself , and his socialist agenda, as the cure to the world's ills. President of the U.S. is only a stepping stone; he can't appear to be to favorable to his "host" country and still be lauded as the "Man with the plan" for world peace. His interest in world peace sides more with the "world" side than the "US (and thus Israel)" side; more so than any previous U.S. President.

In other words, I only see Obama getting physical in a last-ditch effort to prove that he is in charge; it will only come as a purely selfish, instead of selfless, act. It will be almost too late; and, more the act of a bully rather than an act of responsibility.

  • 5 votes
#10.1 - Wed Jun 9, 2010 9:44 PM EDT
Reply
moes

Reverse Flotillas... very creative way to show the very real and unreported Hypocrisy of Turkey, and their continued denial of the Armenian genocide.

  • 7 votes
Reply#11 - Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:56 PM EDT
krishna-167929

Reverse Flotillas... very creative way to show the very real and unreported Hypocrisy of Turkey, and their continued denial of the Armenian genocide.

Exactly!

  • 6 votes
Reply#12 - Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:13 PM EDT
DBE928

So, who wants to start the "Free Cyprus" Movement? Are there Greek and Armenian groups willing to back this? Does anyone have the time to seriously promote this or is it just a flash-in-the-pan discussion?

  • 3 votes
Reply#13 - Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:47 PM EDT
krishna-167929

So, who wants to start the "Free Cyprus" Movement? Are there Greek and Armenian groups willing to back this? Does anyone have the time to seriously promote this or is it just a flash-in-the-pan discussion?

I think this will actually happen. Just how big it gets remains to be seen-- but there are Kurds, Cypriots, Armenians, and AKews who have been victims of Turkish atrocities (or whose relatives have)-- and some of them feel the world has neglected these issues far too long.

  • 6 votes
#13.1 - Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:53 PM EDT
Reply
Leave a Comment:
You're in Easy Mode. If you prefer, you can use XHTML Mode instead.
You're in XHTML Mode. If you prefer, you can use Easy Mode instead.
(XHTML tags allowed - a,b,blockquote,br,code,dd,dl,dt,del,em,h2,h3,h4,i,ins,li,ol,p,pre,q,strong,ul)
Newsvine Privacy Statement
As a new user, you may notice a few temporary content restrictions. Click here for more info.
FUN STUFF:
  • Leaderboard |
  • E-Mail Alerts |
  • Top of the Vine |
  • Newsvine Live |
  • Newsvine Archives |
  • The Greenhouse |
COMPANY STUFF:
  • Code of Honor |
  • Company Info |
  • Contact Us |
  • Jobs |
  • User Agreement |
  • Privacy Policy |
  • About our ads
LEGAL STUFF:
  • © 2005-2012 Newsvine, Inc. |
  • Newsvine® is a registered trademark of Newsvine, Inc. |
  • Newsvine is a property of msnbc.com